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Wondering if anybody out there that collected W quarters would care to trade a few.

nickelsciolistnickelsciolist Posts: 194 ✭✭✭
edited February 5, 2024 11:05AM in Buy, Sell, & Trade - U.S. Coins

I like having complete sets. I have spares of some. In particular I'd like
2019 Coins 1 Lowell, 2 American Memorial
2020 1 American Samoa, 2 Weir Farm, 1 Marsh Billings, 2 Tallgrass Prairie

To trade I have 3 Salt River Bay and 12 San Antonio Mission

I got all mine out of rolls...most were ''new'' boxes, some were mixed roll. They're all nice, for the casual collector like me.

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  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nickelsciolist said:
    I like having complete sets. I have spares of some. In particular I'd like
    2019 Coins 1 Lowell, 2 American Memorial
    2020 1 American Samoa, 2 Weir Farm, 1 Marsh Billings, 2 Tallgrass Prairie

    To trade I have 3 Salt River Bay and 12 San Antonio Mission

    I got all mine out of rolls...most were ''new'' boxes, some were mixed roll. They're all nice, for the casual collector like me.

    That will be a tough trade. Specifically, the American Memorials and Marsh-Billings are worth much more than a 1 for 1 trade.

    Even at a 15 for 9 trade.....😎

  • @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @nickelsciolist said:
    I like having complete sets. I have spares of some. In particular I'd like
    2019 Coins 1 Lowell, 2 American Memorial
    2020 1 American Samoa, 2 Weir Farm, 1 Marsh Billings, 2 Tallgrass Prairie

    To trade I have 3 Salt River Bay and 12 San Antonio Mission

    I got all mine out of rolls...most were ''new'' boxes, some were mixed roll. They're all nice, for the casual collector like me.

    That will be a tough trade. Specifically, the American Memorials and Marsh-Billings are worth much more than a 1 for 1 trade.

    Even at a 15 for 9 trade.....😎

    Judging by your screen name, you find W quarters. How many have you found? I think i just broke 700.

  • @nickelsciolist said:
    I like having complete sets. I have spares of some. In particular I'd like
    2019 Coins 1 Lowell, 2 American Memorial
    2020 1 American Samoa, 2 Weir Farm, 1 Marsh Billings, 2 Tallgrass Prairie

    To trade I have 3 Salt River Bay and 12 San Antonio Mission

    I got all mine out of rolls...most were ''new'' boxes, some were mixed roll. They're all nice, for the casual collector like me.

    I'd like to help but already have over 100 Salt River Bay and about 45 San Antonio

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IFindCoins said:

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @nickelsciolist said:
    I like having complete sets. I have spares of some. In particular I'd like
    2019 Coins 1 Lowell, 2 American Memorial
    2020 1 American Samoa, 2 Weir Farm, 1 Marsh Billings, 2 Tallgrass Prairie

    To trade I have 3 Salt River Bay and 12 San Antonio Mission

    I got all mine out of rolls...most were ''new'' boxes, some were mixed roll. They're all nice, for the casual collector like me.

    That will be a tough trade. Specifically, the American Memorials and Marsh-Billings are worth much more than a 1 for 1 trade.

    Even at a 15 for 9 trade.....😎

    Judging by your screen name, you find W quarters. How many have you found? I think i just broke 700.

    More than 700 but mine are all out of new coin rolls. I stopped searching the mixed old coin rolls currently available at the banks.

    Nice to meet another W quarters collector. Happy hunting!🤑😎

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All these hoards are exactly why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    All these hoards are exactly why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    This has been discussed many times over the years. Obviously you love the attention of posting your contrarian opinion in many threads but I will indulge you one more time.

    They are a limited edition quarter and still in high demand years after their release. Ebay completed sales document that fact.

    Rarity is a relative term. Compared to the number of all quarters minted every year by the Mint these are "rare" at 2 million each.

    Like all limited edition items the "value" is dependent on demand and what someone is willing to pay for it. As of today a raw W quarter is still worth more than a raw junk silver quarter.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    All these hoards are exactly why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    This has been discussed many times over the years. Obviously you love the attention of posting your contrarian opinion in many threads but I will indulge you one more time.

    They are a limited edition quarter and still in high demand years after their release. Ebay completed sales document that fact.

    Rarity is a relative term. Compared to the number of all quarters minted every year by the Mint these are "rare" at 2 million each.

    Like all limited edition items the "value" is dependent on demand and what someone is willing to pay for it. As of today a raw W quarter is still worth more than a raw junk silver quarter.

    Why is everything with you contentious? I don't need your attention. And my view is hardly contrarian on this forum, its probably the majority opinion.

    If you would like an expanded version of my thoughts - and why wouldn't you:

    U.S. Mint commemorative products of limited production follow the same price trajectory 95% of the time: release, uneven distribution, price increase, distribution evens, price decrease. The entire price action for these limited edition products is driven by the uneven distribution at release: the coins are not in the hands of the long-term holds.

    With respect to W quarters, you currently have a similar supply overhang. There are multiple people just on this forum that have hoards of multiple hundred coins. Eventually, that supply overhang will work itself out, possibly (likely?) swamping demand.

    I was reminded of this supply overhang by the posters on this thread all mentioning their personal hoards. I wasn't looking for a fight.

  • Guys...wasn't looking for an argument, just want to trade a few coins with other amateur collectors.

    WQFreddie, we've traded a few times in the past. Obviosly you have got alot more insight and alot more of these than me. I'll send you a message as soon as I figure out how to do that. Seems like things have changed since when these things were released and I was feverishly going through boxes of Quarters.

    I will take Tom B's advice and go to the Buy Sell Trade page.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .

    @nickelsciolist said:
    Guys...wasn't looking for an argument, just want to trade a few coins with other amateur collectors.

    WQFreddie, we've traded a few times in the past. Obviosly you have got alot more insight and alot more of these than me. I'll send you a message as soon as I figure out how to do that. Seems like things have changed since when these things were released and I was feverishly going through boxes of Quarters.

    I will take Tom B's advice and go to the Buy Sell Trade page.

    No fight here.

    I checked out the BST yesterday but didn't see your listing. Thought maybe you decided against a trade.

    Glad to see you your post. Hopefully you will find someone willing to trade.

    I will send you a PM so you can respond to it.😎

  • @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    Interesting points of views.
    I am a really Quarter Guy, but those new coins are not in my visions. Nothing to see or study on those coins. 2 000 000 coins for each design. 20 Dies used, 1 work hub, 1 Master Die and normaly 1 Master Hub. No varieties, I doubt any errors will be find and high level of coins could be find.

    Those with West Point MM are a part of the Mint Marketing to drop more the cost of each Quarter strike.

    The present price it is far to much busted then an real collectable coin. I look for fun at the prices and surprise: Higher then the 1946 Quarter which it is really tough to find in Gem 65 or higher, and it is the most rare in the serie of 40's.

    Maybe I am to conservative with coins collection, and the young generation move the vision of this hobby in another wold.

    To follow and see what the future will show.

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • I understand why some collectors and dealers might find these kind of gimmicky or annoying. I just think they're cool. I am what might be called a naive hobbyist...maybe my small set of W Quarters will be worth something someday maybe not. Honestly, I kind of like the way the the folks at the mint did the W Quarter thing by releasing into circulation only, at least in theory, and kind of disrupting the normal numismatic channels. At least it gave people like me a chance to find a few of them, and perhaps got some young folks interested in the hobby. As to value...most of the more serious collectors at the club I go to are dismissive of them, but one time I brought my little collection to a show and was immediately offered ten bucks a coin :D .

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    @ nickelsciolist
    I understand why some collectors and dealers might find these kind of gimmicky or annoying

    In fact I wanted to tell you my point of view and to let you know to go by your collector pleasure and not only by prices. Do not forgot that probably 80% of the dealers are not collectors or specialists, less experts. They drive a business for living.

    Go by your fillings and pleasure. Sugestion: If you assambly Quarters collection for this series, IMHO put also the P and D.

    Good Luck

    Silvio

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

    Well played...perhaps I will take a page from your playbook!😂🤣

  • ...looks like my little inquiry garnered a hoard of comments...

  • @nickelsciolist said:
    ...looks like my little inquiry garnered a hoard of comments...

    Wait a sec, what's the definition of "hoard"? Oops, never mind.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IFindCoins said:

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

    Well played...perhaps I will take a page from your playbook!😂🤣

    There's never a need to interact with someone who has never once been wrong in their entire life. I learned that a long long time ago. Anyone that comes back with a photo of a page in a dictionary goes on my ignore list, immediately. Doesn't look like I'm missing out on much. If you all did the same thing, you might have a decent thread going!

    The problem is you can only put 5 people on ignore. Then you have to choose who aggravates you the least out of those 5 when a 6th person earns the ignore status.🤣😂

  • @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

    Well played...perhaps I will take a page from your playbook!😂🤣

    There's never a need to interact with someone who has never once been wrong in their entire life. I learned that a long long time ago. Anyone that comes back with a photo of a page in a dictionary goes on my ignore list, immediately. Doesn't look like I'm missing out on much. If you all did the same thing, you might have a decent thread going!

    The problem is you can only put 5 people on ignore. Then you have to choose who aggravates you the least out of those 5 when a 6th person earns the ignore status.🤣😂

    Four more to go, then! Hopefully one was enough. Truth be told, i was originally at fault for contacting them about my idea of a hoard. Nice to find out early on whom to ignore though.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2024 12:10PM

    Guys please let forgot the use of this word here.

    I think, I want to believe was an mistake. The definition it is complete other, and to acuse someone or to state make a hoard, mean the peron in cause is hoarding and it is an hoarder. First word mean intentionally want to private other to have something with the speculative intentions, The Hoarding it is the action, and the hoarder it is the person. This term must be use only and only by an MD because hoarding it is an mental disorder and the hoarder it is the pacient. As more then an simply MD, I will never put such words public.

    So please, this it is an very respectfull comunity and I believe that all are gentelmans.

    Let forgot and hope will not repet again.

    Silvio

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • @silviosi said:
    Guys please let forgot the use of this word here.

    I think, I want to believe was an mistake. The definition it is complete other, and to acuse someone or to state make a hoard, mean the peron in cause is hoarding and it is an hoarder. First word mean intentionally want to private other to have something with the speculative intentions, The Hoarding it is the action, and the hoarder it is the person. This term must be use only and only by an MD because hoarding it is an mental disorder and the hoarder it is the pacient. As more then an simply MD, I will never put such words public.

    So please, this it is an very respectfull comunity and I believe that all are gentelmans.

    Let forgot and hope will not repet again.

    Silvio

    All good on my end, Silvio! Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2024 5:59AM
  • FrazFraz Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do I have a hoard of hoards or a horde of hoards?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2024 6:00AM

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

    Lmao. You're the one who questioned my use of the word. Apology accepted. And, in advance, I'll accept your apology for all the other criticism in this thread. No hard feelings.

    I'm wrong all the time. And, as I tell my students, science is success by successive failure.

    But I'm glad you're enjoying your hoard of quarters. I immensely enjoy my hoard of Tibetan tangkas. I also have a hoard of several hundred 100 Srang notes.

    I used to have a hoard of 1931-S nickels but I sold all 200 when the price spiked. I only have an NGC 65 left.

    I also enjoy the horde of coin collectors on this forum.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's a W quarter?

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2024 7:20AM

    @Catbert said:
    What's a W quarter?

    It's where soldiers sleep at West Point.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @IFindCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said: .5
    All these hoards are exactlhy why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    I wouldn't exactly call 700 out of 10,000,000 a "hoard". See the difference in those numbers?! I understand where you're coming from but until I'm in the 10,000 range, I'm not considering what I'm sitting on a hoard. Hope your weekend is a success

    Find me a definition of hoard that requires you have a significant percentage of the mintage. 5000 Lincoln cents is a "hoard" even though billions were made.

    The point is not that one person has them all. The point is hundreds of people each have hundreds. That creates a supply overhang. The same thing happens with Mint products even though no one has thousands. Often, it's just thousands of people buying one or two extra.

    I stand corrected! Well played sir, well played. I see you are a force to be reckoned with and will no longer be commenting on your comments. You are correct! Best wishes to you and yours.

    Lmao. You're the one who questioned my use of the word. Apology accepted. And, in advance, I'll accept your apology for all the other criticism in this thread. No hard feelings.

    I'm wrong all the time. And, as I tell my students, science is success by successive failure.

    But I'm glad you're enjoying your hoard of quarters. I immensely enjoy my hoard of Tibetan tangkas. I also have a hoard of several hundred 100 Srang notes.

    I used to have a hoard of 1931-S nickels but I sold all 200 when the price spiked. I only have an NGC 65 left.

    I also enjoy the horde of coin collectors on this forum.

    OMG...a Science teacher. That explains it!🙄

  • Joe_360Joe_360 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “W-Quarters be very, very good to me...”

  • FrazFraz Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    OMG...a Science teacher. That explains it!🙄

    @Joe_360 said:
    “W-Quarters be very, very good to me...”

    ¡Chico Escuela!

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a subject here more likely to go sideways than "W quarters"? Well, other than VaultBox....

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @124Spider said:
    Is there a subject here more likely to go sideways than "W quarters"? Well, other than VaultBox....

    CAC

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @124Spider said:
    Is there a subject here more likely to go sideways than "W quarters"? Well, other than VaultBox....

    CAC

    Yeah, you may have a point there! It's amazing to me the things that get people all hot and bothered!

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @124Spider said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @124Spider said:
    Is there a subject here more likely to go sideways than "W quarters"? Well, other than VaultBox....

    CAC

    Yeah, you may have a point there! It's amazing to me the things that get people all hot and bothered!

    Especially when they are optional. All 3 of those things can be avoided by anyone who doesn't want them.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    What's a W quarter?

    I think the "W" stands for "whored" but the guys who are arguing don't know how to spell. :D

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @124Spider said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @124Spider said:
    Is there a subject here more likely to go sideways than "W quarters"? Well, other than VaultBox....

    CAC

    Yeah, you may have a point there! It's amazing to me the things that get people all hot and bothered!

    Especially when they are optional. All 3 of those things can be avoided by anyone who doesn't want them.

    Yeah, I have to agree.

    1. I have no interest in VaultBox, but I couldn't care less whether or not it exists; if gambling floats your boat, knock yourself out.

    2. I own one copy of each W quarter, and look at them from time to time. But I couldn't care less whether or not someone else cares about them. That said, I think it's cool that the Mint does things to stimulate interest in our hobby (although, since I've never seen one W quarter in circulation--including roll-hunting many dozens of quarter rolls--I have my doubts about how evenly they distributed the W quarters).

    3. CAC is a bit different. I am a fan of the sticker program, although I am still noodling on what I think of the grading program. But, again, I can't begin to understand why people get their panties in a bunch, one way or the other, about the company or its offerings.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got a CAC W Quarter on VB. ;)

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @124Spider said:
    3. CAC is a bit different. I am a fan of the sticker program, although I am still noodling on what I think of the grading program. But, again, I can't begin to understand why people get their panties in a bunch, one way or the other, about the company or its offerings.

    I cannot answer your other questions but this is not all that complicated, you are on a PCGS forum, many of the people on this forum have money tied up in PCGS graded inventory and make a living selling PCGS coins. And many others have a large sum of money tied up in collections that include a high percentage of coins graded by PCGS. So it stands to reason that with all the money invested into the PCGS product that at least a few are going to feel their investments are being threatened by CACG, that can cause a lot of angst.

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  • FrazFraz Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s good.

    @Onastone said:
    I got a CAC W Quarter on VB. ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @124Spider said:
    3. CAC is a bit different. I am a fan of the sticker program, although I am still noodling on what I think of the grading program. But, again, I can't begin to understand why people get their panties in a bunch, one way or the other, about the company or its offerings.

    I cannot answer your other questions but this is not all that complicated, you are on a PCGS forum, many of the people on this forum have money tied up in PCGS graded inventory and make a living selling PCGS coins. And many others have a large sum of money tied up in collections that include a high percentage of coins graded by PCGS. So it stands to reason that with all the money invested into the PCGS product that at least a few are going to feel their investments are being threatened by CACG, that can cause a lot of angst.

    We were talking CAC not CACG, although the issue is the same. People don't like that they need a CAC sticker to get top dollar

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2024 9:36PM

    @coinbuf said:

    @124Spider said:
    3. CAC is a bit different. I am a fan of the sticker program, although I am still noodling on what I think of the grading program. But, again, I can't begin to understand why people get their panties in a bunch, one way or the other, about the company or its offerings.

    I cannot answer your other questions but this is not all that complicated, you are on a PCGS forum, many of the people on this forum have money tied up in PCGS graded inventory and make a living selling PCGS coins. And many others have a large sum of money tied up in collections that include a high percentage of coins graded by PCGS. So it stands to reason that with all the money invested into the PCGS product that at least a few are going to feel their investments are being threatened by CACG, that can cause a lot of angst.

    Good point, as an explanation for the passion.

    But I still scratch my head over cursing at the moon (and I say that as an avid amateur astronomer, who dislikes the fact that the moon destroys the rest of the night sky almost half of each month, but accepts that the moon is an unpleasant fact). I also have an immense amount of money tied up in PCGS coins (and a bit less in NGC coins). Many (but certainly not most) have green beans on them. But, either way, the situation is what it is. And, given that the coin is what it is, regardless of the clothing it's wearing, that's even more reason to just accept the tools buyers have to evaluate a coin.

    Heck, did collectors who had spent a great deal of money on Morgan dollars before the GSA hoard was distributed get angry at the GSA, or just bemoan their bad luck? And, once upon a time, the 1903-O Morgan dollar was the "king of the Morgans," until a hoard of them was discovered in the Treasury Department; now they're reasonably affordable (though not a "common date").

    But I do acknowledge that I'm not in this as a business, and my only "investment" consideration is that I buy carefully so that I don't think I'm losing too much money (absent a collapse in the market, of course).

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @124Spider said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @124Spider said:
    3. CAC is a bit different. I am a fan of the sticker program, although I am still noodling on what I think of the grading program. But, again, I can't begin to understand why people get their panties in a bunch, one way or the other, about the company or its offerings.

    I cannot answer your other questions but this is not all that complicated, you are on a PCGS forum, many of the people on this forum have money tied up in PCGS graded inventory and make a living selling PCGS coins. And many others have a large sum of money tied up in collections that include a high percentage of coins graded by PCGS. So it stands to reason that with all the money invested into the PCGS product that at least a few are going to feel their investments are being threatened by CACG, that can cause a lot of angst.

    Good point, as an explanation for the passion.

    But I still scratch my head over cursing at the moon (and I say that as an avid amateur astronomer, who dislikes the fact that the moon destroys the rest of the night sky almost half of each month, but accepts that the moon is an unpleasant fact). I also have an immense amount of money tied up in PCGS coins (and a bit less in NGC coins). Many (but certainly not most) have green beans on them. But, either way, the situation is what it is. And, given that the coin is what it is, regardless of the clothing it's wearing, that's even more reason to just accept the tools buyers have to evaluate a coin.

    Heck, did collectors who had spent a great deal of money on Morgan dollars before the GSA hoard was distributed get angry at the GSA, or just bemoan their bad luck? And, once upon a time, the 1903-O Morgan dollar was the "king of the Morgans," until a hoard of them was discovered in the Treasury Department; now they're reasonably affordable (though not a "common date").

    But I do acknowledge that I'm not in this as a business, and my only "investment" consideration is that I buy carefully so that I don't think I'm losing too much money (absent a collapse in the market, of course).

    Actually, I'd be shocked if people with serious money tied up in CC Dollars didn't scream when GSA announced what was in the hoard, and what they were going to do with them after nearly 100 years, rather than just melting them down, as the government had previously done with over 100 million other silver dollars. We all know how that ended, but it's very naive to think people back then who stood to lose real money just calmly accepted what was happening.

    Doesn't matter, because JA isn't going to not do what he wants to do just because it might make someone else unhappy. He's doing what he thinks is right for himself, his investors, and probably most importantly, for the hobby. If he didn't think things needed improvement, he wouldn't bother. And if a critical mass didn't agree, whatever he did would fall flat, as it does for so many others who try.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    All these hoards are exactly why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    This has been discussed many times over the years. Obviously you love the attention of posting your contrarian opinion in many threads but I will indulge you one more time.

    They are a limited edition quarter and still in high demand years after their release. Ebay completed sales document that fact.

    Rarity is a relative term. Compared to the number of all quarters minted every year by the Mint these are "rare" at 2 million each.

    Like all limited edition items the "value" is dependent on demand and what someone is willing to pay for it. As of today a raw W quarter is still worth more than a raw junk silver quarter.

    According to the latest issue of PCGS Market Report: "The 2020 W American Samoa V75 Quarter is a popular coin that was one of the biggest market movers of recent months. The coins were first issued back on April 6, 2020, and immediately collectors all over the country were searching for them. The coins are popular for several reasons...struck at the West Point Mint...some of the first quarters to enter circulation that had the W mintmark...mintage of two million, which is relatively small for a circulation-strike U.S. coin of the modern era..feature a privy mark... making them extremely appealing to collectors...the coins have seen a huge demand and significant price increase, especially in PCGS MS66+ grade. We recently raised the price from $95 to $250, reflecting a recent public sale where the coin took $400." That W quarter has increased in value 163% according to the article.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:

    @WQuarterFreddie said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    All these hoards are exactly why I wouldn't expect these coins to increase in value. It's a distribution problem not a rarity issue.

    This has been discussed many times over the years. Obviously you love the attention of posting your contrarian opinion in many threads but I will indulge you one more time.

    They are a limited edition quarter and still in high demand years after their release. Ebay completed sales document that fact.

    Rarity is a relative term. Compared to the number of all quarters minted every year by the Mint these are "rare" at 2 million each.

    Like all limited edition items the "value" is dependent on demand and what someone is willing to pay for it. As of today a raw W quarter is still worth more than a raw junk silver quarter.

    According to the latest issue of PCGS Market Report: "The 2020 W American Samoa V75 Quarter is a popular coin that was one of the biggest market movers of recent months. The coins were first issued back on April 6, 2020, and immediately collectors all over the country were searching for them. The coins are popular for several reasons...struck at the West Point Mint...some of the first quarters to enter circulation that had the W mintmark...mintage of two million, which is relatively small for a circulation-strike U.S. coin of the modern era..feature a privy mark... making them extremely appealing to collectors...the coins have seen a huge demand and significant price increase, especially in PCGS MS66+ grade. We recently raised the price from $95 to $250, reflecting a recent public sale where the coin took $400." That W quarter has increased in value 163% according to the article.

    It's something of a condition rarity above 66.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    You will likely have more success on the BST (Buy, Sell & Trade) board, which is where threads of this nature should be found. Good luck!

    https://forums.collectors.com/categories/buy-sell-trade-u-s-coins

    This.

  • @JWP said:
    @niclescion. I made very different sets for these W Quarters, but this is my favorite version. I made 1 for each of the 10 W Quarter issues. I used the 2009 Territorial 6 Quarter USM Lens and included the P, D,Unc S, Proof Clad S, Silver Proof S, and the W Quarter. Here is 1 example of this variety.


    Very nice Sir. Thank you for responding in a respectful way to my post along the lines of my simple interest in these coins.

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