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2024 MLB HOF

Welcome to the hall of fame Adrian Beltre, Todd Helton and Joe Mauer.

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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not mad about any of those. Also good to see guys get in from smaller market teams.

  • NGS428NGS428 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 4:37PM

    Good group to get in. Good to see Jones move up, I think he will make it soon..


  • EchoCanyonEchoCanyon Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭

    I saw tonight on MLB network that Mauer is only the 3rd catcher to be a first-ballot HOFer (Bench and Pudge Rodiruguez are the other 2).

    Shocking that Yogi Berra was not a first-ballot .... and even Piazza.

  • lwehlerslwehlers Posts: 852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    i am glad i picked this one up last summer for cheap.

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭✭

    Next year will be Wagner and Ichiro for sure. I think Sabathia will get in, but I’m not sure about first ballot. It will be good for some of the holdovers when 2026 rolls around because there are no worthy first-ballot candidates then.

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  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very pleased to see Helton going in. Yes!!

  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Best card/most valuable card of each new inductee?

    Beltre - 1998 Bowman Gold auto

    Mauer - ?

    Helton - ?

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  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 731 ✭✭✭✭

    @amp0909 said:
    Welcome to the hall of fame Adrian Beltre, Todd Helton and Joe Mauer.

    And Jim Leyland.
    Lou Piniella (manager) missed by 1 vote for the 2nd time.

  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 731 ✭✭✭✭

    @BBBrkrr said:
    Not mad about any of those. Also good to see guys get in from smaller market teams.

    But they still have to be worthy. Joe Mauer? First ballot?
    Welcome to the Harold Baines wing of the HOF.

    @EchoCanyon said:
    I saw tonight on MLB network that Mauer is only the 3rd catcher to be a first-ballot HOFer (Bench and Pudge Rodiruguez are the other 2).

    Shocking that Yogi Berra was not a first-ballot .... and even Piazza.

    Mauer was a catcher/1st baseman/DH
    He didn't catch in the final 5 years of his career, and maybe 200 games in the last 8 years of a 15 year career.
    And first ballot? What a joke.

  • EchoCanyonEchoCanyon Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @BBBrkrr said:

    Welcome to the Harold Baines wing of the HOF.

    The Harold Baines vote is and was such a joke ... having 16 people vote is a bigger joke .... want to let people have a second chance? It should be ALL living HOFers (maybe 72) and you need 75% of that!

    Speaking of the 16-committee members the year Baines went in, Reinsdorf -- the owner of the ChiSox, who would benefit financially by Baines getting in -- had a vote? And wait, I hear Reinsdorf said to Tony La Russa (another committee member), 'help me get Baines in [with some of your pals on the committee] and I'll make you Manager in a few years ...'

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,096 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olb31 said:
    Best card/most valuable card of each new inductee?

    Beltre - 1998 Bowman Gold auto

    Mauer - ?

    Helton - ?

    I like 2 for Mauer;
    2002 Bowman Chrome
    2002 Topps

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @BBBrkrr said:
    Not mad about any of those. Also good to see guys get in from smaller market teams.

    But they still have to be worthy. Joe Mauer? First ballot?
    Welcome to the Harold Baines wing of the HOF.

    @EchoCanyon said:
    I saw tonight on MLB network that Mauer is only the 3rd catcher to be a first-ballot HOFer (Bench and Pudge Rodiruguez are the other 2).

    Shocking that Yogi Berra was not a first-ballot .... and even Piazza.

    Mauer was a catcher/1st baseman/DH
    He didn't catch in the final 5 years of his career, and maybe 200 games in the last 8 years of a 15 year career.
    And first ballot? What a joke.

    I don't care that Baines made it. If I were him I'd tell people 'it's better to be in the Hall and have everyone complain than not be in at all'.

    Don't mind Mauer there either. Personally, I think more guys should be in.

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭

    So, really, what does it matter which ballot a player gets in on? If the critera supports them being in the hall, then which ballot they get in on is irrelevant.

    To me, the weaker of the bunch is Helton, but I think still deserving. Career .316 with 1,400 runs and RBI with some defensive hardware to go with it is significant. Mauer gets bonus points for playing a premium position and his accomplishments occurred during the time he played catcher. Beltre is a no-doubter - 3,000 hits should be automatic (of course, Rafael Palmeiro warrants a different conversation).

  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 4:10PM

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  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 731 ✭✭✭✭

    @EchoCanyon said:

    @RonSportscards said:

    @BBBrkrr said:

    Welcome to the Harold Baines wing of the HOF.

    The Harold Baines vote is and was such a joke ... having 16 people vote is a bigger joke .... want to let people have a second chance? It should be ALL living HOFers (maybe 72) and you need 75% of that!

    I agree somewhat, but HOF players are no better qualified to judge a players skills and worth.
    Your list would only include 4 managers, who I think are better equipped.
    And the successful managers were nowhere close to being HOF players.
    Plus non-HOF coaches with tons of baseball knowledge, like a Don Zimmer type, who are mostly in the shadows.
    There is no easy fix and I agree, just 16 people voting is not a large enough pool.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,096 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @BBBrkrr said:
    Not mad about any of those. Also good to see guys get in from smaller market teams.

    But they still have to be worthy. Joe Mauer? First ballot?
    Welcome to the Harold Baines wing of the HOF.

    @EchoCanyon said:
    I saw tonight on MLB network that Mauer is only the 3rd catcher to be a first-ballot HOFer (Bench and Pudge Rodiruguez are the other 2).

    Shocking that Yogi Berra was not a first-ballot .... and even Piazza.

    Mauer was a catcher/1st baseman/DH
    He didn't catch in the final 5 years of his career, and maybe 200 games in the last 8 years of a 15 year career.
    And first ballot? What a joke.

    Being from Minnesota, I saw a lot of Mauer. He started out as a superb catcher who could hit for average.
    He had 1 great year, and about 4 very good years.
    Injuries really ruined his chances at being a truly great catcher.
    He's really borderline to me, just nowhere near guys that caught for years.
    Munson probably more deserving? Thurman caught 350 more games.

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  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 731 ✭✭✭✭

    @lahmejoon said:
    So, really, what does it matter which ballot a player gets in on? If the critera supports them being in the hall, then which ballot they get in on is irrelevant.

    To me, the weaker of the bunch is Helton, but I think still deserving. Career .316 with 1,400 runs and RBI with some defensive hardware to go with it is significant. Mauer gets bonus points for playing a premium position and his accomplishments occurred during the time he played catcher. Beltre is a no-doubter - 3,000 hits should be automatic (of course, Rafael Palmeiro warrants a different conversation).

    Ultimately, being first ballot doesn't matter except that the label implies that player is elite.
    A shoe-in, no brainer, no argument HOFer.
    Yes, playing catcher deserves bonus points, and the first 5-6 years as a catcher, Mauer had some great BA years, and 1 overall dominant year. That's enough for HOF status first ballot? I guess so.
    Now take the second half of his career 2011-2018, and compare it to other 1B/DHs and I'd guess he's below average.
    They want to compare his whole career with HOF catchers, and it's not a fair comparison.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,096 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @lahmejoon said:
    So, really, what does it matter which ballot a player gets in on? If the critera supports them being in the hall, then which ballot they get in on is irrelevant.

    To me, the weaker of the bunch is Helton, but I think still deserving. Career .316 with 1,400 runs and RBI with some defensive hardware to go with it is significant. Mauer gets bonus points for playing a premium position and his accomplishments occurred during the time he played catcher. Beltre is a no-doubter - 3,000 hits should be automatic (of course, Rafael Palmeiro warrants a different conversation).

    Ultimately, being first ballot doesn't matter except that the label implies that player is elite.
    A shoe-in, no brainer, no argument HOFer.
    Yes, playing catcher deserves bonus points, and the first 5-6 years as a catcher, Mauer had some great BA years, and 1 overall dominant year. That's enough for HOF status first ballot? I guess so.
    Now take the second half of his career 2011-2018, and compare it to other 1B/DHs and I'd guess he's below average.
    They want to compare his whole career with HOF catchers, and it's not a fair comparison.

    I REALLY hate to agree with you on a hometown guy (who's also a Joe), but I really didn't think he'd waltz in on the first ballot. The batting titles help, but his home run totals (other than one year) were pretty low. He was one of the best Twins of all time in BA with men in scoring position, better than Killebrew in that statistic.
    I thought Olivia was a more dominant hitter, who deserved to get in. Both players had injury problems. He had to wait.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @amp0909 said:
    Welcome to the hall of fame Adrian Beltre, Todd Helton and Joe Mauer.

    And Jim Leyland.
    Lou Piniella (manager) missed by 1 vote for the 2nd time.

    If/when Lou gets in would be nice if from the stage he throws a base to the crowd. :)

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:
    Yes, playing catcher deserves bonus points, and the first 5-6 years as a catcher, Mauer had some great BA years, and 1 overall dominant year. That's enough for HOF status first ballot? I guess so.
    Now take the second half of his career 2011-2018, and compare it to other 1B/DHs and I'd guess he's below average.
    They want to compare his whole career with HOF catchers, and it's not a fair comparison.

    Tell that to people who think Dennis Eckersley belongs in the Hall. 2, plus a partial 3rd, good years as a starter. 4 good years as a closer. 16-17 years of average or a lot worse.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not so sure on Mauer. but, i am a big hall guy so I will not complain.

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