Rare 1909 S VDB with "No mint mark"
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Wow! An S mint coin with no mint mark. 
Anyone notice anything else wrong?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296180636996
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This one whispers, "Counterfeit".
I thought I could hear something.
You guys are pretty harsche.
Thank you (Bogus coin for whatever reason)
DAH, it HAS a mint mark!
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
Looks like that special commemorative struck using Honest Abe's less well-known nickname "Berty".
This is what happens when used RV sales people can't find a job....
WS
If we can get @mr1931S to confirm this one whispers we might be able to get @burfle23 to get it removed.
I sent a note to the seller explaining what’s wrong with his coin, dot in the wrong place, deep N and that the little S below the date is the missing mint mark. I sent photos showing both types of N’s and both types of VDB dot placements. Things you need to know if you plan on making counterfeits.
His response:
“Listen I take offense suggesting that I counterfeited this coin . The pictures of the VDB that you supplied are not even from my photos of the VDB as mention it’s sold as is Purchased at an Estate sale . So get your facts straight and I warn you not to suggest that I made this coin. I a form of slander to my reputation as a 100% feedback with over 4000 sales Keep up your inaccurate verbiage and you will be hearing from my Lawyer .”
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Makes me want to send him a message.
Message sent
I will post the reply.
Reported
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
My message to the seller
Your listing says "No mint mark" but it appears there is an S below the date.
The coin is a counterfeit and you should remove your listing before it is removed for you.
Response from the seller
It a mic up because I have another 1909 VDB IP EITHOUT A MINT MARK THANKS GOR THE CATCH
I'm not sure what that means???
Listing was ended by the seller.
He ended it and then relisted it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305367791032?hash=item471956b5b8:g:xA8AAOSwrtNlrtit
Harsh would be proud...
Still the new listing shows a mint mark. Maybe this guy has no idea what a mint mark is?
A true criminal.
reported
Let us know if you get the response that AI reviewed it and found nothing wrong.
This was a message from the seller an hour ago.
I don’t know if it’s a fake I am not a licensed coin dealer or inspector are you . If you are I will listen if not the disclaimer is up I am notifying. Any potential buyer about the coins condition It’s all within eBay’s rule and regulation with the disclaimers
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I got the exact same reply to my last message.
Seller lists the coin as "unauthencated"...someone should tell him that's not how you spell "inauthentic".
The new listing has been removed.
Looking through his listings he’s nothing more than a snake oil salesman. Everyone of his coins are questionable. If you’re looking for a small date 1982 with no mint mark, he’s got two of ‘em.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Yeah, and plenty of the rare no mint mark coins.
Even if the coin was authentic, which I don't think it is, it's a bit overpriced anyway. Of course he's trying to reel in a fish with a best offer.
Before the advent of PCGS, a local coin shop dealer who I would patronize often, mostly for supplies and occasionally a coin purchase, told me this story. We were both members of the same coin club, and would have a friendly chat at times. So he told me about how a stranger had recently walked into his shop, and offered a 1909 S VDB for sale. Well standard procedure, he carefully scrutinized the S, determined that the S hadn't been added, made the guy an offer, the guy took the offer, and that was that.
Turns out the VDB had been added. The dealer didn't even think to scrutinize that. I mean the 1909 S is still a key coin. Who would risk possibly damaging a key coin like that? Well the scammer did and fooled a coin dealer.
Even back then, this story illustrates how clever and sophisticated scammers had become. and that was a long time ago. Thank goodness for PCGS starting their business. As much as I know about coins, there are some coins I would never buy unless it was in a PCGS holder, and the 1909 S VDB certainly is one of them.
Poof
nooooooooo.......nothing that has been written in this thread so far is poofworthy.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Not a fake 1909 VDB but wouldn't it be more rare if it was a 1909 SVDB without the mintmark? I bet that's his scheme. lol
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Let's get one more.
Attn: @burfle23
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176202464282
Might as well throw a 1916 D in with the mix.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166562799857
i was rerefering to the thread saying the listing went poof. next time ill add more werds
I agree. Something in his convoluted mind made him come up with the idea.
Next he'll be trying out clever ways to steal candy from babies.
"Don't let this deal get away!"
I just did let this deal get away.
I'm not familiar with Mercury Dimes.
Does the D stand for Defective?
At the end of the day, it's all about the forever guarantee of authenticity one gets with a PCGS authenticated coin.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Mint mark is a mark on a coin from the mint. If a coin from the mint has a mint mark, it is an error—if the coin does not come from the mint nor have a mint mark, that is also an error. Many of these coins have die on them. A die is something on coins’s surfaces and two of them on a coin (double die, dice) are gold in your pocket. Double die (dice) shows up with DDO, DDR, cuds, and ANACS on the coin as well. They’re easy to identify because they’re one of a kind. Many are certified without certification.
You have to keep an open mind when you look at certain sellers’ coins now.
Both listings were reported and removed.
Nothing from mr1931S?
The second S V.D.B. shown here has an 'S' placement very, very close (if not right on) to PCGS #3 (or Harsche #2) for 1909-S V.D.B. The very slight right tilt of the 'S' even matches up favorably with PCGS#3/Harsche#2. Nonetheless, the 'S' looks "funny" to me. And so does the V.D.B. look odd for a 1909-S V.D.B. The V.D.B. appears to be authentic but is most likely from a 1909 Philadelphia mint cent.
Not a coin that would interest me if I were in the market for another 1909-S V.D.B. Images are poor but good enough to see small gouges and digs on it, front and back. The only way for me to be certain about this coin being an authentic or fake 1909-S V.D.B. would be to do an in-hand detailed inspection of it with a 10x loupe. It's simply not worth the bother of buying this raw piece off a seller on ebay and then hope it's real.
Give me an in-focus closeup pic of that 'S' and I would have more to say about this piece.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
The first piece would have "no mintmark" if the ebay buyer were to give it an acetone bath?
Seller: "Look, I told you 'no mintmark' and now you want your money back?"
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Lincoln Memorial (1959-2008).
mr1931S: "Run Forrest, run!"
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein