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Do you all feel the black sports on this Barber 25c would come back from grading as damage? There is also natural toning which is fine. What is it from,
What is the concensus about these spots in general. Stay away?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even terrible spotting doesn’t usually result in a details grade.
    You mentioned “natural toning”, so I’ll add that the coin has almost certainly been dipped. And that whatever toning you see is probably retoning that has occurred after a dip.
    As to “Stay away?”, that depends on why you asked.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Apollo_23Apollo_23 Posts: 124 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Even terrible spotting doesn’t usually result in a details grade.
    You mentioned “natural toning”, so I’ll add that the coin has almost certainly been dipped. And that whatever toning you see is probably retoning that has occurred after a dip.
    As to “Stay away?”, that depends on why you asked.

    I was interested in buying it but I wanted opinions. Really wanted a clean coin

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t think the spots would hinder it from grading, but the cleaning might.
    Hard to tell the extent of the cleaning from this one image, but as Mark said, almost certainly at least dipped previously.

    As for whether to stay away, that depends.
    If it’s an 09-O quarter in that grade priced right, I’d be all over it. If it’s a P or D, for a personal higher grade date or type set, I’d move on.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Apollo_23 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Even terrible spotting doesn’t usually result in a details grade.
    You mentioned “natural toning”, so I’ll add that the coin has almost certainly been dipped. And that whatever toning you see is probably retoning that has occurred after a dip.
    As to “Stay away?”, that depends on why you asked.

    I was interested in buying it but I wanted opinions. Really wanted a clean coin

    Posters can only provide feedback based on the single obverse image that you posted. Even if the coin happens to be reasonably priced, the spots are a negative and Barber quarters aren’t rare.
    And unless you’re highly proficient at grading, I’d recommend pursuing a graded example.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Apollo_23Apollo_23 Posts: 124 ✭✭✭

    I agree. It is a P, here is the back

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a lightly dipped slider. I can still see some original luster, so it's not dipped to the point of lifelessness, but I also see a bit of rub on some of the high points.

    There are plenty of nicer examples but, at the right price, this could be a good buy.

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  • Apollo_23Apollo_23 Posts: 124 ✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    It looks like a lightly dipped slider. I can still see some original luster, so it's not dipped to the point of lifelessness, but I also see a bit of rub on some of the high points.

    There are plenty of nicer examples but, at the right price, this could be a good buy.

    I agree with that. That is why I am glad I found this fourm to ask questions and learn more. Great resource!!!

  • calgolddivercalgolddiver Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Plenty of examples out there without black spots. Be patient and keep looking.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those black spots are a turnoff for any coin.

  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Apollo_23 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Even terrible spotting doesn’t usually result in a details grade.
    You mentioned “natural toning”, so I’ll add that the coin has almost certainly been dipped. And that whatever toning you see is probably retoning that has occurred after a dip.
    As to “Stay away?”, that depends on why you asked.

    I was interested in buying it but I wanted opinions. Really wanted a clean coin

    Posters can only provide feedback based on the single obverse image that you posted. Even if the coin happens to be reasonably priced, the spots are a negative and Barber quarters aren’t rare.
    And unless you’re highly proficient at grading, I’d recommend pursuing a graded example.

    The last line might have been in bold.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a good coin for a nice album set IMO.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a cleaned or dipped AU58. Pass unless it is really cheap, which I doubt it is.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2024 3:14PM

    I think it's been mentioned but it depends on your budget.
    With that said you might be better off with a lower grade coin with nice eye appeal and original surfaces than what appears to be a cleaned coin

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars

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