1866 Seated Quarter GTG

Manifest_Destiny

With a mintage of only 16,025, the 1866 Philadelphia quarter is the second rarest quarter after the 1853 no arrows.

I recently upgraded this coin and will post the new coin later in the thread.

jughead1893

15

NumisOxide

20

Crepidodera

I'd agree with 15 or 20. My guess would be VF20 with the characteristic weak central reverse details.

Doug

Crepidodera

Here's my PCGS VF25 CAC coin for comparison.

Cougar1978

Nice

Davidk7

15

fathom

12

ChangeInHistory

F-15, there's a bit too much missing on the reverse for a 20- IMHO.

291fifth

F15 I agree that the reverse is too weak to merit anything higher.

coinkat

15 seems right with 12 being possible on a bad day

I just don't think there is an appreciation for how difficult certain SLQ dates are at various states of preservation.

johnny9434

F 15 maybe a 20

Manifest_Destiny

Here's my upgrade for comparison. Feel free to GTG for this one as well.

291fifth

On the upgrade coin: VF35. Just a bit too much wear on the reverse shield to call it a 40.

Manifest_Destiny

Another point to make when grading these is that the reverse die was damaged. Pic from Larry's book.

Crepidodera

Don,

I'd say 35 or 40 on your upgrade, congrats!

Doug

Manifest_Destiny

@Crepidodera said:
Don,

I'd say 35 or 40 on your upgrade, congrats!

Doug

Thanks, I'd trade it for your nice original coin any day though.

semikeycollector

I really like both coins. I say F-15 and VF-30. A rare date!
I once bought a VG-10 1866 PCGS to resell, it was for a particular customer. At the coin show I caught him in the parking lot after he had a long conversation with dealers at their tables and had to leave. I felt pretty shady as a vest pocket guy doing that, but made the sale.

Seated was my specialty, I generally had scarcer coins for this guy than the dealers at the small show.I don't think he would have found this coin otherwise. He only attended this show. He was putting together sets of Seated 10c,25c and 50c.

Manifest_Destiny

Another point of reference. The upgrade coin was cracked out of an ANACS VF30 slab. I'll do the reveal for both coins later today, although I realize they can be easily looked up by the cert number.

jesbroken

I think the obv will keep it at VF20.
Jim

may

VF20 and VF35, both very nice coins.

Walkerfan

F 15

And

VF 30.

Congratulations!!

Manifest_Destiny

@Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
VF20 and VF35, both very nice coins.

I'll go ahead and do the reveal now since this was the correct guess for both coins. I was pretty happy when the ANACS 30 coin made 35 at PCGS.

marcmoish

F12 and VF25

lkenefic

I'd say F12, maybe 15, on the first coin... the reverse holds it back.

Id say XF40 on the second... nice upgrade!

rhedden

1866-P business strike has to be one of the tougher Seated 25c to grade. It's the flattest strike in the series, and if it's well struck, you can almost bet it's a circ. proof.

Did PCGS call it F12, F15, or VF20? VF25? I don't know. You're left estimating the amount of wear present because the strike is most of the problem (for all of them, not just this example).

coinkat

I thought it noteworthy to circle back to comment in view of the additional 1866 that was posted as well as the 1-A Reverse. That variety seems to be characterized as a damaged die. The coin does raise a fundamental issue about grading. Based on the image and pattern of wear, I thought 15 would be more appropriate than 20. No question that the obverse should carry the grade, but it does seem reasonable that the 1-A reverse should be cited on the slab. Without that acknowledgement, it seems a VF20 is optimistic.

I like the upgrade. Clearly this is a difficult date in this state of preservation and should be appreciated based on the surviving population.