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Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

I am taking a shot at grading this coin for myself. The luster is all there. The devices look good. I see some nicks on the arm and cheek and a pretty good zing on the eagles breast.
If the images aren't good enough I will try to take better.
Please go easy on me. This is a learning thread. I'm open to hearing what you have to say but my grade is not something that is etched in stone.
I am calling it an ms64

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 5:37AM

    I suck at pictures but maybe this will help..when I try to use a light I get to much reflection. These are taken in sunlight.
    If it's not going to work out because of bad pictures please just let the thread die off.
    I totally understand.


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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    AU 58. It’s been dipped and those hairlines in the right facing field really bother me.

    Good to know!
    Thank you for your opinion. I appreciate it!

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  • slider23slider23 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭✭

    On the first set of photo.s it shows rub on Liberty's breast, stomach and leg, and on the eagle's breast and leg. Based on those photos, I would be at AU58. On the photos with with haze there is no cartwheel luster, so the coin looks dipped. If the coin has a haze, you may want to consider a rinse in Acetone to try and remove the haze. In the last two photos it is showing some cartwheel luster, so it looks more like it could be MS, but maybe cleaned because of the hairlines in the field.

    If you are having trouble getting the correct indoor light on the coin, you may want to try a Ottlite Desk lamp 25.5 in., White Natural Daylight LED Flex Lamp. With this flex lamp you can position the LED Natural Daylight light on the coin with three light settings of low, med, or high.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I made a mistake.
    When I did bring out a light and went back to my album to pull out the 38D I took out the wrong coin so that mistake is on me. It was not done intentionally so I will leave them up for now but please ignore them. The 38D does have cartwheel lustre. It's just that my pictures are terrible today.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two different coins….I’m at 58 on the 43D, 64 on the 38D; I’m assuming that the haze and lighting on the 38D is obscuring the luster bands.

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The '38 looks about right but needs a soak. The '43 might not be wear but rather a strike effect but it's hard to tell from the picture.

    Tempus fugit.
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Two different coins….I’m at 58 on the 43D, 64 on the 38D; I’m assuming that the haze and lighting on the 38D is obscuring the luster bands.

    I just realized they were different lol. My comment pertains to the 43D.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    above the motto are perpendicular parallel lines which make me suspect the surfaces may have been messed with

    a possiblity of a details coin (too bad on key date) - can you take a picture showing luster like your last one of the 43?

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,073 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 7:45AM

    @davewesen said:

    above the motto are perpendicular parallel lines which make me suspect the surfaces may have been messed with

    a possiblity of a details coin (too bad on key date) - can you take a picture showing luster like your last one of the 43?

    Many 38D walkers have die polish lines in the right obverse field. I’ve been searching for one in the ms64 range that doesn’t, for years!
    I can’t tell if that’s the case here, but I suspect so.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 7:50AM

    I will be totally honest and tell you the coin has great luster and what your seeing is polish lines as they are not Incuse.
    The 38D also has a good cartwheel for sure.
    I know it's next to impossible to show a coin for GTG with my crappy images.
    I probably shouldn't post because I can't take good images of coins.
    Again that's on me.

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    I will be totally honest and tell you the coin has great luster and what your seeing is polish lines as they are not Incuse.
    The 38D also has a good cartwheel for sure.
    I know it's next to impossible to show a coin for GTG with my crappy images.
    I probably shouldn't post because I can't take good images of coins.
    Again that's on me.

    The pictures aren't that bAd.

    It's impossible to capture everything about a coin from a single picture so much has to be inferred from very little information no matter how good and realistic the picture.

    Tempus fugit.
  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 8:17AM

    Double post sorry.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    I will be totally honest and tell you the coin has great luster and what your seeing is polish lines as they are not Incuse.
    The 38D also has a good cartwheel for sure.
    I know it's next to impossible to show a coin for GTG with my crappy images.
    I probably shouldn't post because I can't take good images of coins.
    Again that's on me.

    The pictures aren't that bAd.

    It's impossible to capture everything about a coin from a single picture so much has to be inferred from very little information no matter how good and realistic the picture.

    Agree.
    And even when perfect pictures are posted, opinions are all over the map anyway.

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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 8:44AM

    These are your 2 best images. ;)
    I don't know what lighting you used for them vs the others but you should use this lighting for your photos.
    Also look how much clearer these are than your others.
    It's because you had the coin sitting on something rather than holding it in your hand.
    When you hold the coin and hold the camera there is more chance for movement that blurs your photos.
    Always place your coins on a surface to take photos, you can't hold both hands perfectly still. ;)

    Edited to add: I see a couple of your other photos you were not holding the coin but the lighting was off.

  • slider23slider23 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 8:45AM

    On the 38D can you do the photo with the same background and same light with phone/camera at same distance and position that you used on the 43?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:

    This picture makes it look puttied.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    These are your 2 best images. ;)
    I don't know what lighting you used for them vs the others but you should use this lighting for your photos.
    Also look how much clearer these are than your others.
    It's because you had the coin sitting on something rather than holding it in your hand.
    When you hold the coin and hold the camera there is more chance for movement that blurs your photos.
    Always place your coins on a surface to take photos, you can't hold both hands perfectly still. ;)

    Edited to add: I see a couple of your other photos you were not holding the coin but the lighting was off.

    Your right. That was taken with a light facing in the direction of the coin. I'll work on it myself and see what I can do.

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's just a nice gemmy coin that was dinged for the haze and mark on the eagle.

    Tempus fugit.
  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CACG, only way to go on these.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 10:42AM

    @Morgan13 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    AU 58. It’s been dipped and those hairlines in the right facing field really bother me.

    Good to know!
    Thank you for your opinion. I appreciate it!

    I do not see what I would classify as "hairlines" or "rub" on the 1938-D.
    MS-64 appears reasonable.

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "best photos" are of a 1943 so not even the topic of discussion.
    I do see what looks like PVC haze on the obverse (which means its probably on the rev as well), so an acetone bath would probably make it pop even more.
    Natural sunlight is the absolute best at making your coins look horrible.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Morgan13 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    AU 58. It’s been dipped and those hairlines in the right facing field really bother me.

    Good to know!
    Thank you for your opinion. I appreciate it!

    I do not see what I would classify as "hairlines" or "rub" on the 1938-D.
    MS-64 appears reasonable.

    I was talking about the 43D. I thought they were just different photographs, when I commented. I didn’t realize that they were actually different Coins.

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the 38-d has a shot at a 65.

    64 is the minimum.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DoubleEagle59 said:
    I think the 38-d has a shot at a 65.

    64 is the minimum.

    I think the 1938-D has as good as, if not a better shot at a details grade. That said, I’m not confident that we have a good idea what it actually looks like.

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DoubleEagle59 said:
    I think the 38-d has a shot at a 65.

    64 is the minimum.

    I think the 1938-D has as good as, if not a better shot at a details grade. That said, I’m not confident that we have a good idea what it actually looks like.

    True.....whenever I give a grade opinion, I can only go on the picture provided.

    I've seen some pictures look like a 65 and when I get the coin, the grade is more like an au55.

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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to tell, but your half looks MS. Hard to tell.
    Assuming the coin is decent MS - I agree with your 64 GTG.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 9:17PM

    No - not even close

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details shot UNC details

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DoubleEagle59 said:
    I think the 38-d has a shot at a 65.

    64 is the minimum.

    I think the 1938-D has as good as, if not a better shot at a details grade. That said, I’m not confident that we have a good idea what it actually looks like.

    I agree with you. The images stink. I don't think it's a details coin. I think images make it look that way. Like I said it's on me for posting crappy images.
    I will refrain until I get it figured out.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At the very least the coin doesn't have the strike for a 65

    I make this decision without adding all the other comments into the mix.

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS has graded 902+24 in MS64. CAC has only stickered 82 and CACG graded only one.. The CAC values range from $780 in AU58 to $1,240 in MS64. Your biggest risk is the coin having PVC.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2024 10:18AM

    I'm only into the whole set for $1650 so I think I did good.
    1936-1947 all mints so I can't complain.
    That's $51.50 per coin. It's a set of 32 and I do believe they are uncirculated. That's just my opinion. I think you can see overall they look good.



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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have any PCGS graded coins to compare them to?

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:
    Do you have any PCGS graded coins to compare them to?

    Not WLH.
    I'm going to put them away in the safe. They are really for me to enjoy. I'm not out to impress anyone. I'm just sharing my collection.
    Sorry I take such lousy pictures.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:

    @DisneyFan said:
    Do you have any PCGS graded coins to compare them to?

    Not WLH.
    I'm going to put them away in the safe. They are really for me to enjoy. I'm not out to impress anyone. I'm just sharing my collection.
    Sorry I take such lousy pictures.

    It's a beautiful BU album set. At just over $51 a coin; you did well. :)

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  • bagofnickelsbagofnickels Posts: 347 ✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:
    Do you have any PCGS graded coins to compare them to?

    You should find a couple examples of PCGS coins to compare them too. It's helpful in learning to spot wear. Ultimately this made me realize how easy it was to be taken by very nice AU examples. I have a couple PCGS 58s that look gem.

    Your albums looks fantastic in my opinion. All the coins look lusterous and well matched. Dansco is such a wonderful way to display a set like this. Congrats.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you
    I do enjoy them. In not a dealer. I'm a collector and I think they are beautiful.
    I might take them to a local show and get some opinions or do some comparisons with other coins that have been slabbed.
    They came to me in this-

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  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good idea
    Take them to a show

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DoubleEagle59 said:
    I think the 38-d has a shot at a 65.

    64 is the minimum.

    I think the 1938-D has as good as, if not a better shot at a details grade. That said, I’m not confident that we have a good idea what it actually looks like.

    I agree with you. The images stink. I don't think it's a details coin. I think images make it look that way. Like I said it's on me for posting crappy images.
    I will refrain until I get it figured out.

    I for one at least appreciate that you are making an effort. Even with perfect photos, even the presumed experts are only going to provide ballpark grade estimates. And some probably couldn’t get close if they had the coins in hand.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My previous comments were about the 43D. I never commented on the 38D so I will, now:

    I really like it and I think that it is, AT LEAST, a 64. The surfaces are very clean and I like the strike. Luster looks just a bit muted, but I would really have to see it in hand to make a determination. Overall, it is a very nice Coin!

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