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I'm going to keep track of what happens today, I find Black Monday to be fascinating.

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 5:41AM

    The Commanders have fired head coach Ron Rivera, it's a shame things didn't work out, I liked Rivera when he was with the Panthers, Riverboat Ron.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Panthers have fired our GM Scott Fitterer. I can't say I'm too surprised, this season was an absolute nightmare and disaster and I just prefer to forget that it ever happened.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is interesting.

    Ex-Warriors GM Bob Myers Hired by Commanders' Harris for HC Search as Rivera Fired

    Washington Commanders owner Josh Harris is thinking outside the box as he and the organization embark on a full coaching search.

    ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski and Adam Schefter reported the Commanders hired former Golden State Warriors general manager Bob Myers and former Minnesota Vikings GM Rick Spielman to aid in targeting candidates to replace Ron Rivera, who was fired Monday.

    Myers specifically "will take a lead role in identifying and coordinating interviews with candidates for both the top football operations and head coaching jobs — with Spielman set work to closely with him, officials said," per the report.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't wait to hear some news about Bill Belichick and Jim Harbaugh, juicy Black Monday!

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Arthur Smith is out in Atlanta

    W.C.Fields
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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Geez, Josh Harris is throwing everything and the kitchen sink into finding a head coach for Washington, he just announced that Magic Johnson will also be a part of the process.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sneak preview of today's lunch with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft:

    https://youtu.be/-IhtjQDHkJI

  • burghmanburghman Posts: 794 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 6:31AM

    @doubledragon said:
    Geez, Josh Harris is throwing everything and the kitchen sink into finding a head coach for Washington, he just announced that Magic Johnson will also be a part of the process.

    Magic’s part of his ownership group so I don’t think it’s surprising that he’d be involved.

    Spielman’s an interesting addition. (ETA - doh! I got Rick and Chris confused :D )

    Jim

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know I can count on you @doubledragon to keep a close eye on the turnover today. I will be checking back in throughout the day to get my updates

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said: The Panthers have fired our GM Scott Fitterer. I can't say I'm too surprised, this season was an absolute nightmare and disaster and I just prefer to forget that it ever happened.

    The only way out of what Fitterer has done is to jettison Bryce Young and re-think the QB position. I can't see him improving past the total flop he's been this season, he reminds me of Kyler Murray without the arm or legs. It's also a sorry situation whoever the new GM finds himself in: rebuild a terrible team who has already traded away any draft hope a a rebuild.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    @doubledragon said: The Panthers have fired our GM Scott Fitterer. I can't say I'm too surprised, this season was an absolute nightmare and disaster and I just prefer to forget that it ever happened.

    The only way out of what Fitterer has done is to jettison Bryce Young and re-think the QB position. I can't see him improving past the total flop he's been this season, he reminds me of Kyler Murray without the arm or legs. It's also a sorry situation whoever the new GM finds himself in: rebuild a terrible team who has already traded away any draft hope a a rebuild.

    It's a disappointment for sure, I wanted C.J. Stroud., it stings every time I watch Stroud play.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I know I can count on you @doubledragon to keep a close eye on the turnover today. I will be checking back in throughout the day to get my updates

    Thank you for the vote of confidence. 👍

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 8:54AM

    The Jim Harbaugh rumors are everywhere, I'm hearing the Bears, Falcons, Raiders, Chargers, and Commanders are all interested in him. Supposedly Bob Myers has already reached out to Don Yee, Harbaugh's agent.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm hearing Arthur Blank and the Falcons are interested in Bill Belichick if this indeed it for him in New England.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bill Belichick is supposed to meet with Robert Kraft today, Rob Gronkowski was asked about the situation and he thinks Belichick will remain with the Patriots, check out the video below.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Asked about the possibility of giving up personnel control to remain with team, Belichick didn't close the door on the hypothetical.

    "Look, I'm for whatever we decide collectively as an organization is the best thing to help our football team," Belichick said. "I have multiple roles in that, and I rely on a lot of people to help me in those responsibilities. Somebody's got to have the final say. I have it. I rely on a lot of other people to help. Whatever that process is, I'm only part of it."

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    I'm hearing Arthur Blank and the Falcons are interested in Bill Belichick if this indeed it for him in New England.

    wouldnt that be interesting after the 28-3 comeback in the SB!

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @doubledragon said:
    I'm hearing Arthur Blank and the Falcons are interested in Bill Belichick if this indeed it for him in New England.

    wouldnt that be interesting after the 28-3 comeback in the SB!

    That would be insane, personally I don't think Kraft is going to get rid of Belichick, it's just something I'll have to see to believe. Belichick is such a legend with the Patriots., I just can't believe it until I see it.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    I'm hearing Arthur Blank and the Falcons are interested in Bill Belichick if this indeed it for him in New England.

    If I were Kraft and these rumors are true, I'd be looking to trade Belichick to Atlanta. Denver just gave up a 1st & 3rd just so the Saints would agree to let Payton out of his contract even though he was retired.

    With a NE/ATL deal the Pats could get a 2nd or 3rd round pick as compensation,the Falcons get their guy and Belichick gets to keep his current salary of 20M+. If BB gets fired he likely then goes into contract talks with teams starting at a much lower salary. He'd hate losing that draft pick but doing a trade this way would benefit Biill greatly because he'd be starting out in Atlanta on his current paygrade.

    @doubledragon said:
    Bill Belichick is supposed to meet with Robert Kraft today, Rob Gronkowski was asked about the situation and he thinks Belichick will remain with the Patriots, check out the video below.

    I can just imagine the number of Pats fans that would lose their shiat if Kraft & Belichick hold a press conference telling the NFL world Bill is staying lol. 🤣
    If something like this happens I just hope that Kraft takes away Bill's control of final personnel decisions and brings in someone who is capable of drafting high end talent on offense.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You have to admire the way Bill Belichick's mind works, he's always been fascinating to me. This is awesome, until he hears otherwise, he's just going to continue to go to work.

    Bill Belichick’s comments underscore difficulty of a trade

    Despite speculation for weeks regarding a potential trade of coach Bill Belichick from the Patriots to another team, that outcome is looking less and less likely. Belichick’s comments from Monday underscore this reality.

    “I’m under contract, do what I always do, which is every day I come in and work as hard as I can to help the team in whatever way I can,” Belichick told reporters. “So, that’s what I’m going to continue to do.”

    In other words, I’m working here until they tell me I’m not. And I’m fine with that.

    Answers will come after Belichick meets with owner Robert Kraft. As Belichick noted on Monday, it could be a series of meetings.

    “We’ll deal with that internally,” Belichick said.

    The external message seems to be clear. I have a job. This is my job. I’m going to do my job until someone tells me not to do it. He basically said that.

    “I’m going to do everything I can every day to do the best I can to help our football team,” Belichick explained. “That’s what I’ve always done. It’s never been any different for me in my career. I learned that lesson from my dad growing up. You work for the team that you’re working for and do the best you can for it, until somebody tells you different. So, that’s not going to change.”

    His team continues to be the Patriots. His contract ties him to the Patriots. He’ll work for the Patriots until the Patriots don’t want him. If they don’t, they can fire him — and then he’ll go find a new team.

    He has no reason to go along with a trade. Why would he want his new team to give up one or more draft picks to get him, when all he has to do is say, “I’m going to do my job until you tell me to stop”?

    While all signs and signals continue to point to a separation, Belichick doesn’t have to make it easy for Kraft. Belichick doesn’t have to go along with a cake-and-eat-it deal with a new team. He doesn’t have to lock arms for a “mutual parting.”

    He can do what he’s doing, and what he quite possibly will keep doing. Shrug and say, I work here until you tell me otherwise.

    If he wants to stay with the Patriots (and he quite possibly does), it’s the best approach. It forces Kraft to make the move, and it allows Belichick to exit with maximum options — and also with the possibility of sticking Kraft with a large chunk of Belichick’s 2024 compensation.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope hoodie stays around New England for another 10 years and is in complete control of the draft.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He looks exhausted. I like Belichick, it's obvious that he works his butt off and pours his heart and soul into that organization, I don't really follow the Patriots as close as you guys, but on the outside looking in, it will be a sad for me to see him go if that is the decision Kraft makes.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:

    He looks exhausted. I like Belichick, it's obvious that he works his butt off and pours his heart and soul into that organization, I don't really follow the Patriots as close as you guys, but on the outside looking in, it will be a sad for me to see him go if that is the decision Kraft makes.

    Listening to that press conference it sounds like Bill is willing to give up the GM role and just be the coach. He said it a few different times how much he still enjoys the gameplanning and the coaching aspect but never goes as far as saying the same when it comes to having that final say over roster decision.

    That has been my main gripe with Belichick for years now. I'd choose Belichick the HC over any other coach in football, its just that his style of building the roster is outdated. You're not winning in this current era of the NFL by building your roster around quantity over quality.That may have worked when you had the GOAT behind center,who elevated everyone around him, but not now.

    NE was 4-8 in one possessions games (7pts or less) and that was with having one of the worst offenses in NFL history averaging just 13.9ppg. Just improving the QB & WR positions alone may improve this team greatly.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,210 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    Arthur Smith is out in Atlanta

    And this is way to late, Pitts and Robinson chances of being solid contributors were held in check by this moron.

    Rivera should have been fired awhile ago as well

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 10:47AM

    The question isn't should Belichick be fired. Of course he should be fired. NFL coaches are hired to be fired, that is a stone cold fact of life, and Belichick knows that.

    The only reason, and I mean the only reason that Belichick keeps his job is that Kraft feels some sort of "loyalty" or whatever for what Belichick did for the Patriots in the past. But here's the basic problem with that sort of premise. NFL fans, especially the younger fans, have very short selective memories. It's not what you did yesterday which is fine, it's what you can do for us today and tomorrow. Bill Belichick at this point in time, for a multitude of reasons which have already been discussed for months, seems incapable of bringing back the Patriots to competitiveness, let alone thinking about a Super Bowl. Actually, the chances of the Patriots declining even further with Belichick at the helm, seem much more likely than the chances of improvement.

    I really don't know the background of Robert Kraft all that much. But I do know business, and this I know for sure. A billionaire such as him didn't get to where he is by being kind and loyal to incompetent employees. He got rid of them. Didn't matter how long they worked for him or whether or not they had rent to pay coming up. That's the employee's problem.

    A billionaire has the mindset of wanting to continue to run a successful business. That mindset is what got him there, and what keeps him there. So for a Robert Kraft to just throw all that reasoning and desire out the window, just to keep Bill Belichick around, doesn't make sense to me, and most importantly, probably doesn't make sense to Kraft either.

    We shall see what happens. Either way, Belichick walks away a very rich man, and I don't think he will have any problems paying the rent this month.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFL reporter Jordan Schultz is reporting that Mike Vrabel is interested in coming back to NE if the HC job opens up.
    Vrabel would be #1 choice to replace BB.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 11:00AM

    Ran across this photo on Twitter, taken about 25ish or so years ago, man time flies.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Atlanta sent the release announcing the firing of Arthur Smith at 12:01 ET.................one minute into Black Monday 😂😂😂

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 11:03AM

    That Arthur Smith story is hilarious, Arthur Blank had to keep it with the Black Monday theme, we can't turn this into Black Sunday.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2024 11:13AM

    Interesting in that Belichick press conference, he said it could be a series of meetings with Kraft, so we may not get any news today. Eluding to what @stevek was saying, Robert Kraft is a billionaire business man and the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" business, and that worries me. I don't want him to go!

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek Agreed. The what have you done lately is very much apparent in Philadelphia. Super Bowl win and 2 years later shown the door

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are only a few head coaches that can turn things around. The longer you wait to make a decision means you will have fewer and fewer choices. Also the best choices will no longer be available.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    @stevek Agreed. The what have you done lately is very much apparent in Philadelphia. Super Bowl win and 2 years later shown the door

    Yep, no NFL coach or player is immune from it.

    Tom Brady may be the best example.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @2dueces said:
    Arthur Smith is out in Atlanta

    And this is way to late, Pitts and Robinson chances of being solid contributors were held in check by this moron.

    Rivera should have been fired awhile ago as well

    Exactly. Why bother picking those guys so high if not going to use them. Have to wonder what these guys are thinking or who they gave favors to in order to get hired.

    It is just blind luck for the majority of guys. Right place. Right time. The line of BS worked on the interviewer. Etc..

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A little stroll down memory lane here, look how young Belichick looks here in 2001, shaking hands with Mike Martz. That was the year the Patriots took down the greatest show on turf, one of my favorite Super Bowls of all-time.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now I've heard it all, it seems the Panthers are interested in Bill Belichick if he leaves the Patriots. Yeah Bill, come to Carolina, it's a great organization to work for.

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    edited January 8, 2024 3:30PM

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,210 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    Now I've heard it all, it seems the Panthers are interested in Bill Belichick if he leaves the Patriots. Yeah Bill, come to Carolina, it's a great organization to work for.

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Media asked BB about retirement - He didn't say anything, just sat there with a shit eating grin on his face.............

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    Ran across this photo on Twitter, taken about 25ish or so years ago, man time flies.

    Cool, George Kennedy driving Booger to the premiere of Revenge of the nerds.

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @doubledragon said:
    Ran across this photo on Twitter, taken about 25ish or so years ago, man time flies.


    Cool, George Kennedy driving Booger to the premiere of Revenge of the nerds.

    That's all well and good, but there can only be one true Booger in the NFL, and his name is Booger Mayfield.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It doesn't appear that we are going to get any news on Bill Belichick today, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what happens. Until then, I leave you with this classic Belichick meme.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    NE was 4-8 in one possessions games (7pts or less) and that was with having one of the worst offenses in NFL history averaging just 13.9ppg. Just improving the QB & WR positions alone may improve this team greatly.

    Man, they had a 3-game streak where they allowed 10 points or fewer AND LOST ALL THREE. That unfathomable in the NFL. New England lost 6 games where they allowed 21 or fewer points. League scoring average was 21.8 points. Just score league average in those 6 games and they're 10-7. They scored 134 points less than the league average all year. Good lord.

    Fix the offense even somewhat and they're a playoff contender.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that BB can still scheme a game plan with the best of them. He is no longer a good evaluator of talent. at all.

    my fear is that, if he is stripped of GM responsibilities and is no longer able to "buy the groceries" he will sabotage whoever is brought in either by draft of FA.

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,210 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    It doesn't appear that we are going to get any news on Bill Belichick today, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what happens. Until then, I leave you with this classic Belichick meme.

    Kraft is an indecisive coward who can't make a decision

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,210 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I think that BB can still scheme a game plan with the best of them. He is no longer a good evaluator of talent. at all.

    my fear is that, if he is stripped of GM responsibilities and is no longer able to "buy the groceries" he will sabotage whoever is brought in either by draft of FA.

    Ofcourse he will, he needs to go way before the draft

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The latest I've heard is that Kraft and Belichick had a meeting yesterday but nothing has been decided yet and there will be another meeting or possibly a few more meetings before a decision is made, stay tuned....

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    The latest I've heard is that Kraft and Belichick had a meeting yesterday but nothing has been decided yet and there will be another meeting or possibly a few more meetings before a decision is made, stay tuned....

    I read where Belichick in the meeting tried to fire Kraft. But Kraft had to explain to Belichick why it doesn't work that way.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The firing of Mike Vrabel should excite the patriots fans this morning. Now this should seal BB’s fate if Kraft has the baseballs to do it.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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