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1879-CC: will it straight grade?!
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Recently picked up this capped die 79-CC raw for a great price. Coin appears pretty original looking with plenty rub in hand, but there's a few rim dings.
Would it straight grade? I'm on the fence but think it could. If it did, looks to be on the border line of F15 / VF20 to me.
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I cant put my finger on it with those images, but it almost looks like it was polished long ago and has darkened since. It's overall appearance is not bad at all, but im curious to see what others say.
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Nice coin, looks original!
But it’s difficult to judge from these pictures alone. It’s in the F/VF range if the surfaces are original & the rim dings are minor.
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Looks obviously cleaned to me. I don't think it will straight grade.
Should go without saying, it's obviously tough to make a determination like this solely based on amateur photos, so do your best with what you got.
Being blunt, I don't like the look at all, straight grade or not. (I think not).
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I wish you could tilt and rotate it under a good light for me to see. But in the absence of that, I don’t have a good feeling about the coin and suspect it’s not original.
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Assuming by "not original" you mean that you think it's a details coin vs. being not genuine, right?
Correct, it looks genuine, but cleaned or otherwise altered.
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Cleaned. I don’t believe it will straight grade.
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It looks like an old cleaning.
something seams off with it. A lot of wear but not a lot of bag marks. surface looks odd.
I'd send it in and see how they grade it, worse coins have straight graded at PCGS and NGC. I'd try a few times just because if you can get it to grade VF20 that will be a good money grade.
If I sent it in I would expect a "VF Details" result.
Seems to be the general consensus. Would still be a nice little cherry pick win if it came back VF Details. Would be an extremely nice win if it came back VF20!
And just for alternative reference, here's the TV for another lowball cherry pick I had in 2023, my 1889-CC in G6:
It was suggested by several that this was also likely a details coin and yet, received a straight grade. Food for thought.
It is a genuine VAM-3 (note G in GOD filled in). I think it has a chance for a straight grade. The scratch from eagle's beak down through the wing bothers me more that rim dings.
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Oh, it's a top 100 VAM
It's not already in a holder for a reason
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Looks to me as if the coin had a lot of PVC removed from it. Those lighter areas would have been unhealthy homes for the repulsive substance, and if the coin had been in such a flip or an old Harco album, there would be a near perfect impression of the coin's design elements outlined in PVC on the plastic. I think it would come back as details.
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those light areas were often seen on pocket carried dollars (blue jeans does that to them).
May not have been cleaned.
bob
Maybe VF20 or F15 (straight grade) if the surfaces are not hairlined.
Appears to be genuine, VAM-3.
Plenty of far more valuable coins than that aren’t in holders for the simple reason that they’ve never been submitted.
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Yes, because it was never submitted. Given that the majority of such coins are still raw, that is the more likely scenario.
Might straight grade, maybe lightly cleaned and retoned. Rims are nicked up
I believe this will straight grade, curious to see the outcome now!
Not the best images, but it looks lightly cleaned to my eyes.
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I guess I have to submit this one now given all the intrigue...
If you submit it, please let us know the results for our own education as well.
Definitely genuine, VAM 3, I say strong F/low VF. Possible details grade- not for cleaning but for the mark in the hair.
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I don’t see a mark in the hair that would make me consider a details grade.
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...agree.
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Yu may have to submit it more than once in my opinion. I personally don't believe it will/ should straight grade.
Good luck
I do not see a straight grade based solely on the imagines shared.
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I may be mistaken, but I don't see the etching or pitting associated with PVC flips or other corrosive environments on this coin.
The coin below recently straight graded (P50) but shows some etching on the high points and some rim corrosion. Some of the dark toning as spalled off above Washington's and Lafayette's head. There also appear to be "micro-barnacles" on Lafayette's nose and Washington's lip. This coin's condition was discussed here a year ago before its PCGS grade and TV were released. It was a toss-up whether it would straight grade or be dinged for environmental damage after posting the seller's pictures.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1083707/opinions-wanted-on-a-lafayette-dollar/p1
I'm looking at the mark underneath LIBERTY and have seen details grades for similar marks. To be fair though, they've also let them slide occasionally as well. That's why I said "possible".
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Send it in, if you want an honest answer. Just picked up a '93-CC raw. Wondering the same thing. Will post before and after photos when it comes back. I suggest you do the same.
My thoughts...
Rims are dinged a bit. Obverse rim almost looks out of round? It could be the holder? I initially thought it may have been artificially toned?
What's the average value of an raw 1879-CC graded VF?
Thank you. I just don't think it's severe/conspicuous enough on a rather heavily circulated coin to merit a details-grade. But I've been surprised before.
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Going to get this one submitted to our hosts in the next couple of days. Will revisit with before / after pictures when it's back!
Good luck with it.
I have no additional comments to add about the coins condition that haven't been said already.
I'll be interested to see how things turn out.
Good Luck!
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The color looks off - what kind of lighting and camera did you use?
Can someone explain the marks on the reverse, between the wing and wreath @ 3:00? Asking purely out of curiosity.
My iPhone and the lighting in my office. Zero special setup.
They appear to be reeding marks to me in hand.
Looks like a rusted die "CC" to me and I believe it might grade on a good day, and those days do exist.
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VF Details graded ones are bringing several hundred dollars each on eBay.
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Hard to tell from the photos, but I give it a 50/50 shot for a straight grade, maybe a VF-20.
On Etsy or Temu, this would be at least an MS-67 grade.
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