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ANACS Photo Certificate "modern day" questions

I have Robert Paul's paper, and I have looked through numerous old threads. I have two "current-day" questions.

  1. When ANACS shipped the coin and photo certificate to the customer, what was the original packaging? Was the certificate in an envelope? Left exposed? In a larger, clear plastic holder? Carboard mailer? Other? What about the coin? Was it shipped in a flip? Cello-type wrapping? Air-tite-like holder? Other? The matching serial number sticker and cello-like wrap of my recent Type 4 purchase makes me think some of the packaging may be original, but I really have no idea.
  2. Capital used to make an ANAX 4.5 x 7.5 holder, but their catalog says it has been discontinued. I keep an eye on eBay, but haven't had any luck yet. Does anyone know where/if these holders can be purchased?

Many thanks,


If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

Tommy

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  • bob48bob48 Posts: 443 ✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2023 11:27AM

    Have you tried Capital Plastics MA01 holder?
    I have bought these before from them.
    Also just watch eBay for any for sale.
    I don't know what was the original packaging from ANACS.
    Thanks for the comment on my Photo cert paper. I really did enjoy writing it. But it has been update by other authors. and the new reference is out with two additions to the photo certs.
    A type 3.1 and 4.1 photo cert.

    Bob

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway may know on the 1st question....

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In a plastic flip with the coin in a soft plastic sleeve. Cert number on a sticker on the plastic flip. Like pictured.

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any competent plastics shop can make a "Capitol" style holder. It's just 3 sheets of acrylic with a hole and tapped for screws. You could even make them yourself on a laser cutter and use a tap to make the threads.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If @rrantique is available, he had one of the largest ANACS photo certificates collection. Unbelieveable. He would most likely be able to answer most any question regarding this companies procedures. Hope he is still available.
    Jim


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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,612 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen the style that @AlanSki has posted.

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  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2023 7:02PM

    @AlanSki said:
    This style Capital Plastics holder?

    Yes! Now I just need to find out where to get one.

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    @AlanSki said:
    This style Capital Plastics holder?

    Yes! Now I just need to find out where to get one.

    Have you checked eBay? They have many new, new old stock, and used Capital Holders for sale.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Any competent plastics shop can make a "Capitol" style holder. It's just 3 sheets of acrylic with a hole and tapped for screws. You could even make them yourself on a laser cutter and use a tap to make the threads.

    Pro tip. Get your three sheets of approximately the right size of the appropriate plastic. Do your layout on the center sheet, mark center point(s) and drill hole(s). Reassemble the three sheets, clamp firmly (with padding to protect plastic) and drill your corner holes and side holes as necessary. Put all corner screws in. Grind all four sides smooth to even out borders. Score a diagonal line on one side to help you reassemble the three pieces correctly.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also if you use a laser cutter, remember the hole is very slightly bevelled (maybe 0.001 mm) so there is an up and down side. I'd make the holes just a tiny bit undersized and then sand it the last little bit.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And remember that U.S. coin sizes do vary slightly. Decades ago the Mint milled new Lincoln cent collars at 0.747 inches, vs. the standard size of 0.750 inches. Over tens of millions of strikes they eroded out to 0.753 inches, at which point they were retired. I have no idea what the current tolerances are.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Basically just like this, though for many years the coin number (such as E-1234-B) was hand written on the little paper sticker, as well as the weight. I do not remember ever seeing one like this with the weight on a separate small sticker. Perhaps the weight was rechecked and rewritten. Perhaps the sticker is not original. There was nothing special about it.
    TD

    I would have never guessed that was a weight on the little sticker. I had originally thought it might be a $7.98 price written on the sticker, but now I think it may be 4.98 grams (an authenticity weight?).

    @PerryHall said:
    Have you checked eBay? They have many new, new old stock, and used Capital Holders for sale.

    Yes, until I'm cross-eyed. The only one I found was @AlanSki 's purchase. :D I'll keep checking.

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    If @rrantique is available, he had one of the largest ANACS photo certificates collection. Unbelieveable. He would most likely be able to answer most any question regarding this companies procedures. Hope he is still available.
    Jim

    I didn’t know Irvin had a large collection of ANACS photo certificates. Someone else who has a great knowledge of these is @relicsncoins.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm sorry, Bob. It was @relicsncoins. It's been quite a few years ago and ATS on NGC forum that he posted so many that I finally bought a few. Loved them because of the obv/rev grading. Wish that was still available.
    Thanks,
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • VasantiVasanti Posts: 427 ✭✭✭✭

    @AlanSki said:
    This style Capital Plastics holder?

    I love that setup.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Basically just like this, though for many years the coin number (such as E-1234-B) was hand written on the little paper sticker, as well as the weight. I do not remember ever seeing one like this with the weight on a separate small sticker. Perhaps the weight was rechecked and rewritten. Perhaps the sticker is not original. There was nothing special about it.
    TD

    I would have never guessed that was a weight on the little sticker. I had originally thought it might be a $7.98 price written on the sticker, but now I think it may be 4.98 grams (an authenticity weight?).

    @PerryHall said:
    Have you checked eBay? They have many new, new old stock, and used Capital Holders for sale.

    Yes, until I'm cross-eyed. The only one I found was @AlanSki 's purchase. :D I'll keep checking.

    Yes, we weighed everything. Sometimes it was useful for authentication purposes. Sometimes it was just a way of identifying one coin vs. another, if say two coins of the same date and mint mark had gotten confused in photography (which to my knowledge never happened).

    Mike Fuljenz worked for me at ANACS. He has a good eye. One time he showed me an artificially toned Morgan and said "We've seen this coin before." It had a noticeable mark by Liberty's eye. I checked the submitter's records and found the previous, untoned submission. Same weight. We returned it as A.T. Couple of months later Mike says "Here it is again!" the centers had been dipped out with a cotton swab. Same weight. We returned it "Artificial Toning partially removed." THe guy called to complain. I read him off the different submission numbers. After that we watched this guy's stuff real closely.

    Have you read the guest commentary in this week's Coin World by Bill Gibbs about the Linderman 1804 Dollar? I was the one who had it weighed and compared the weight to the weight listed for that piece in "The Fantastic 1804 Dollar." The weight was within 1/100th of a GRAIN of the listed weight. For comparison, a pre-1982 Lincoln cent is 48 Grains.

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I might have an extra laying around if you are still looking for one. I know I have several in the dollar size, not sure about nickel though.

    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    pm sent

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • KISHU1KISHU1 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭

    I have one from around 1982 or so I have to find it. It came in a Manila envelope
    Frank D

  • FredSFredS Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:

    @AlanSki said:
    This style Capital Plastics holder?

    Yes! Now I just need to find out where to get one.

    Do you still need one? I have a bunch of these old Anacs holders somewhere.

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredS , pm sent

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • I have 8 of these in the cloth bags, new with tissue paper.

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    pm sent

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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