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PCGS MS66PL strike through?

Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 23, 2023 12:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I changed the title becasue it has been determined that this is not a scratch but a strike through. I do not want to have a negative effect on someone's coin.
It was a learning experience for me and I do not want it to be at someone else's expense.
I received a notification from ebay that I might like this coin. So I go and check it out.
I did not want to post the obverse. Not interested in poisoning someone's lot.
In my opinion it's a huge scratch likely from a coin rim.
What's your opinion?

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Better on reverse then obverse. Don't think it warranted a details grade. If everything else was near perfect, probably accounted for the grade. Nice luster and strike.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On the wing too and above the wing.
    I think it's on the plastic and not the coin.

    peacockcoins

  • maymay Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The scratches are slightly out of focus, meaning they are above the coin and on the slab.

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure which specific scratch you’re concerned with, but I see 4 scratch areas that concern me. Only takes 1 to be real to ruin the coin.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All scratches are not all bad for all collectors. It depends on the location and severity of the scratch and what level of experience or how tolerant condition-wise the collector is.......every coin ended up in the hopper...... Should a scratch, scrape, dig, gouge, or carbon spot be noted by the seller every time a coin arrives on the market including coins that have been straight graded, that seemingly might have been missed? For myself, l would want to know before I have to make that unnecessary trip to the PO but how severe.....this is something that might need to be seen rather than said upfront. Same with grading, I suppose. But I have accepted some "not too bad" scratches, carbon spots on a few coins which depended on the date and its availability.
    I have a coin where I didn't see the scratch (on my head, so to speak, lol) until some 15 years later!
    But the coin was given to me, now I know.....

    Leo 😊

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  • Klif50Klif50 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭

    I believe the scratches are on the holder and not on the coin

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 2:54PM

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    The scratches are slightly out of focus, meaning they are above the coin and on the slab.

    The scratch is on the coin.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could live with that if it isn't too deep. It could also be a scuff that appears to be a scratch due to photo.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I could live with that if it isn't too deep. It could also be a scuff that appears to be a scratch due to photo.

    I understand but on an MS66?

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse counts much more for the grade and PL and DMPL coins show any blemish as if it were magnified.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 3:08PM

    Contact the owner for closer/clearer pictures. Couldn't it be a struck thru?

    If it was a scratch, wouldn't the label indicate scratch or detailed on a proof coin?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Contact the owner for closer/clearer pictures. Couldn't it be a struck thru?

    That's the true view image I put up.

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to PCGS grading standards, a MS/PL66 needs to be
    “Well struck with a few marks or hairlines not in a focal area”

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have you asked the seller about it?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Contact the owner for closer/clearer pictures. Couldn't it be a struck thru?

    That's the true view image I put up.

    I know. You/we still need a closer picture of it. Contact the owner (like @gumby1234 suggests) and have him sent you better pictures.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the obverse wasn't so beautiful I wouldn't consider it.
    1. I see two issues here.
    I think the scratch would bother me.
    2. If I decided to sell it I would hear "it's scratched".
    I think I'm going to pass on this one even though the majority of the coin is nice.
    I just don't think it meets 66 grading standards in my mind.

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  • PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 305 ✭✭✭

    We need less-fuzzy pictures. That doesn't look like a coin hit, a clean swipe like that with no reeding showing.

  • maymay Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The scratches are slightly out of focus, meaning they a> @Morgan13 said:

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    The scratches are slightly out of focus, meaning they are above the coin and on the slab.

    The scratch is on the coin.

    Ok, that is weird. Not sure how that got a 66.

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 3:48PM

    Crack it out and send to CAC for an opinion. >:):D Personally I would pass as it would bother me when viewing the coin or photos.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was just doing the same thing @ifthevamzarockin

    How did you get such good pictures?? 👍 I'm in the struck thru column also.

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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    How did you get such good pictures??

    Magic! ;)

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LoL!! Don't make me come over there!! 😂

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  • PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 305 ✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Here is a little better close up. ;)
    Looks like it might be a strike thru.

    That's a lot better. That's no coin that hit that. Not saying it's post-mint, something other than a coin hit.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    LoL!! Don't make me come over there!! 😂

    Come on down I need a new chew toy for Christmas. :D

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is acceptable. I am more bothered by the splotchy haze.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    If the obverse wasn't so beautiful I wouldn't consider it.
    1. I see two issues here.
    I think the scratch would bother me.
    2. If I decided to sell it I would hear "it's scratched".
    I think I'm going to pass on this one even though the majority of the coin is nice.
    I just don't think it meets 66 grading standards in my mind.

    Then who cares what anyone else thinks...

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Here is a little better close up. ;)
    Looks like it might be a strike thru.

    That's what I think, too.

    John
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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All coins have many issues that affect reasonable and balanced grading determinations. The effect of any given issue needs to be weighed in the larger consideration off all facts that go into the grade. That mark would have little impact on my decision of whether I regarded the coin as having real eye appeal or not.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    If the obverse wasn't so beautiful I wouldn't consider it.
    1. I see two issues here.
    I think the scratch would bother me.
    2. If I decided to sell it I would hear "it's scratched".
    I think I'm going to pass on this one even though the majority of the coin is nice.
    I just don't think it meets 66 grading standards in my mind.

    Even if it does meet grading standards for a 66, that doesn’t mean you have to like it. One of the first things I learned in the grading room at NGC was that just because you don’t like a coin doesn’t mean it’s over-graded.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 6:15PM

    @messydesk said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Here is a little better close up. ;)
    Looks like it might be a strike thru.

    That's what I think, too.

    Me, too.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm 99% sure that is a strike thru, and is therefore as struck.

    Coin Photographer.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I now understand and agree as I have learned that it is indeed a strike through. Very nice looking coin too.

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  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and strike thru's make it more interesting imo

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