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SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 21, 2023 2:34PM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

It’s really the small, consistent victories that eventually build up to something great. These aren’t the highest grades available from a type coin situation…not by far, but they represent something very difficult to do. No Holes!!! Pillar minors are riddled with holes. They always have a hole.

This is a very tough year to collect in the pillar series. Almost all of them (with the exception of maybe the 4 and 8 reales) are riddled with problems, if they can be found at all. The 1/2 Real Peru has a sole example listed in Yonaka’s book, and is truly rare. The below pictured example is, to my knowledge, arguably the most problem free example known. The 1R is the finest known as far as I can tell (of a dozen or so.) The 2Reales is a bit easier to find, but normally very low grade with problems. I will continue to upgrade, but this is where I’m at now:

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:47AM

    I got this one recently at auction, seemingly problem free with the exception of what might be a drill hole or impurity in the metal (Probably the beginnings of a puncture that didn’t go all the way through.) If the opportunity presents itself I’ll upgrade, but I’m not holding my breath. This one is near impossible. Fine-ish grade level


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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:41AM

    Bought this one out of Spain a little while back. Probably XF45, sending this in with my next batch to PCGS. The best preserved one I’ve seen and could easily be the finest in existence.


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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:48AM

    This one came out of France, not the highest grade in existence, but nice. The dark spot at the top is toning, not a dig in the metal. F-VF


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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:43AM

    This one I also bought in Spain, it’s actually relatively common for a Peru 4 reales, at least thirty known!!! Sent this in a while back and got the grade I expected.


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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:46AM

    Bought this one at auction and had it certified, and while this post is about completing the date set…I kinda lied. I ended up selling this one, because I’m looking for an XF and this is a lowly VF25, if I recall. They’re the easiest denomination to get, so I’m not worried, I’ll eventually replace it.


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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful very hard to find coins SimonW thanks for sharing!!!

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

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    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WCC said:
    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

    I haven’t seen Gilboy, someone should really do a digital copy of that.

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SimonW said:

    @WCC said:
    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

    I haven’t seen Gilboy, someone should really do a digital copy of that.

    Gilboy has many more high(er) quality plate coins than Yonaka. It's most noticeable with the 4R but he also includes dates of other Charles III dates for other denominations I haven't seen "nice" elsewhere.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 9:25AM

    @WCC said:

    @SimonW said:

    @WCC said:
    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

    I haven’t seen Gilboy, someone should really do a digital copy of that.

    Gilboy has many more high(er) quality plate coins than Yonaka. It's most noticeable with the 4R but he also includes dates of other Charles III dates for other denominations I haven't seen "nice" elsewhere.

    I wonder what happened to all those coins. Squirreled away by someone certainly. They obviously haven’t been floating around.

    The 1R you refer to in gilboy. It’s not the one I have right? Ignoring toning, because that frequently changes over time. Mine has been cleaned at some point in the past.

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 9:27AM

    I realized the other day that my 1756 4R is the one pictured in Yonaka’s book. A little different toning, but it’s clearly the same coin. Initially I didn’t think so because the toning is different, but the strike and minor marks are consistent.

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 9:38AM

    @SimonW said:

    I wonder what happened to all those coins. Squirreled away by someone certainly. They certainly haven’t been floating around.

    Locked away by "strong hands" and/or probably only sold privately. Same as the better Sellshopp, Ortiz, and Patterson coins. (There is some overlap.) Some of these are or may be in the TPG data (1762 PCGS MS-62 4R is an example) but presumably mostly the FRD 1/2R and 1R more common dates. I've never seen any of the others either.

    It's on my old computer and maybe not retrievable (hard drive problem), a spreadsheet of all the coins I know of that I don't own but would be interested in buying if available and "reasonably" priced. This is Bolivia and Peru 1/2R, 1R, 2R, and 4R. Some are upgrades or duplicates I would still buy and other dates I didn't have at the time. This includes catalogs, references (Yonaka and Gilboy only), TPG data, and lots I either lost or didn't know about until after the sale.

    It's in the vicinity of 100 coins though no, I can't afford all of these simultaneously but can buy any individually. List is within the last five years old, and some additional coins surfaced, including some I have since bought.

    @SimonW said:

    The 1R you refer to in gilboy. It’s not the one I have right? Ignoring toning, because that frequently changes over time. Mine has been cleaned at some point in the past.

    No, not the same coin from what I can see.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WCC I haven’t been looking nearly as long as you, you’ve seen a lot more. I would be very curious to see your spreadsheet if you ever are able to get a hold of it.

    Have you ever seen another 1752 1R as nice as the eBay one? (your AU) I’ve regretting not buying it more than once, glad you ended up with it though.

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SimonW said:

    Have you ever seen another 1752 1R as nice as the eBay one? (your AU) I’ve regretting not buying it more than once, glad you ended up with it though.

    No, but there is also an "UNC details" in the NGC census. Sedwick previously sold a nice one (they graded it VF) but can't remember the date. That one is gradable (I think) and sold for about $700. (Same sale as the 1752 1/2R.) Some buyers might prefer it because it doesn't have a planchet flaw like mine.

  • EddiEddi Posts: 435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only 1772 Columnario I have is this Lima 8 Reales.
    There are varieties with a dot over just one, or both mintmarks. From what I have seen the single dot variety is not really a scarce coin, while the two-dot variety like this one is much scarcer.

  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WCC said:

    @SimonW said:

    @WCC said:
    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

    I haven’t seen Gilboy, someone should really do a digital copy of that.

    Gilboy has many more high(er) quality plate coins than Yonaka. It's most noticeable with the 4R but he also includes dates of other Charles III dates for other denominations I haven't seen "nice" elsewhere.

    I've got Gilboy cracked open and he didn't plate the 1772 1 Real.
    On page 171, he lists 1769, 1770, 1771 and 1772
    However, He only has the 1770 and 1771 plated.



     

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JohnnyCache said:

    @WCC said:

    @SimonW said:

    @WCC said:
    The Gilboy plate coin 1R is probably also an XF. It looks "original".

    I haven’t seen Gilboy, someone should really do a digital copy of that.

    Gilboy has many more high(er) quality plate coins than Yonaka. It's most noticeable with the 4R but he also includes dates of other Charles III dates for other denominations I haven't seen "nice" elsewhere.

    I've got Gilboy cracked open and he didn't plate the 1772 1 Real.
    On page 171, he lists 1769, 1770, 1771 and 1772
    However, He only has the 1770 and 1771 plated.

    A copy of Gilboy is currently selling on ebay $500 / or best offer

    I stand corrected. I was recalling the 1771.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the input

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s a nice 8R @Eddi , looks just like the one I would like in my collection😉

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