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ANACS/CACG/PCGS/CAC Crossover GTG - grades revealed

CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭
edited December 22, 2023 5:10PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This coin was in an old small white ANACS holder. Guess the ANACS and CACG grades.
Doug

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A=45
    C=40

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF40 to XF40

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 40, C 45

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45 to 45

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  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 to 35

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ANACS: details
    CACG: details

    Damaged reverse

  • EASilverEASilver Posts: 35 ✭✭✭

    @HillbillyCollector said:
    40 to 35

    +1

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    35 at both

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 to 45

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 3:55AM

    Nice coin and excellent images.

    Grading this one is a very tough call. I suspect ANACS, depending on when they graded it would be in the 40-45 range. This date is known for obverse weakness and the slightest pattern of wear will make it look worse than it really is. If we look at the fields, the surviving lustre in protected areas combined with the detail of the eagle, I see 45 as the absolute floor. If adequate consideration is given to the date, the weakness of the strike and the overall surviving look, I don't think 50 would be a stretch or unreasonable. In contrast, any grade that starts with a 3 would be unreasonable.

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  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 to 35

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45, now under graded as a 40.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45 to 40

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    ANACS: details
    CACG: details

    Damaged reverse

    Can you elaborate? I am not seeing the damage you are referring to.

    I think it crossed at the same grade as the ANACS grade.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:

    @1madman said:
    ANACS: details
    CACG: details

    Damaged reverse

    Can you elaborate? I am not seeing the damage you are referring to.

    I think it crossed at the same grade as the ANACS grade.

    Possibly between the C and A in America.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin its possible, but it looks like a die crack to me. I also don't think that it would bring a details grade for such a small mark.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @privatecoin its possible, but it looks like a die crack to me. I also don't think that it would bring a details grade for such a small mark.

    it could be die crack, but it looks incuse to me. After watching a few youtube videos on crossover attempts, I wouldn't be surprised if they put it in a details holder. They seem to be catching the finest things and calling them details.

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  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see the coin in a 40 or 45 holder from either service. I think if that is a scratch on the reverse, CACG is the only grading service that would bag it for that. I’ve seen much worse in straight holders from all the other services. Im going to assume that CACG either crossed at same grade, or upgraded the coin.

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 to 35

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  • slider23slider23 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭✭

    ANACS and CACG - 45

    Did you have to crack it out to crossover to CACG? My understanding it that CACG would only except PCGS and NGC for crossover in holder.

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes, CACG only accepts PCGS and NGC coins for crossover service. The coin was submitted raw.

    Doug

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking... as others already stated:

    ANACS: 45
    CACG: 40

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40>40

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  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 to 30

  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m betting that CACG did NOT straight grade the coin, and called it cleaned.

    Dead people tell interesting tales.
  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45, now CACG40.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we get the reveal please?

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  • 56morgan56morgan Posts: 33 ✭✭✭

    Is this the unique old small white pronged ANACS holder?

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭

    The coin was in an ANACS XF 45 holder.
    Sent raw to CACG grading with no minimum grade requested. Failed to be straight graded!
    The coin was then sent to PCGS and was graded VF35.
    The coin was then sent to CAC in New Jersey where it was stickered!!

    Thanks for all the guesses. I would grade the coin XF40.
    Doug

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crepidodera said:
    The coin was in an ANACS XF 45 holder.
    Sent raw to CACG grading with no minimum grade requested. Failed to be straight graded!
    The coin was then sent to PCGS and was graded VF35.
    The coin was then sent to CAC in New Jersey where it was stickered!!

    Thanks for all the guesses. I would grade the coin XF40.
    Doug

    Doug
    What was the reason given at CACG for not straight grading?

    So if it was in a A=45 check
    and YOU SAY XF40 check seems I had it correct...................... :|

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crepidodera said:
    The coin was in an ANACS XF 45 holder.
    Sent raw to CACG grading with no minimum grade requested. Failed to be straight graded!

    What was the problem that CACG had with it that CAC didn't? They're going to have to make sure they're on the same page regarding that kind of thing.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What was the problem that CACG had with it that CAC didn't? They're going to have to make sure they're on the same page regarding that kind of thing.

    Bingo.
    And, if I understand correctly, if you send it back in to CACG with the sticker, they will straight grade it….

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with ANACS that it's an XF45 so the other grading are wrong as far as I'm concerned. :#
    No matter what the grade assigned by others is, it's an attractive original coin from what I can see in your pics. B)

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  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 6:00PM

    @alaura22 looks like you nailed it in our opinion.
    No reason was given for the failure to straight grade other than " not holdered - below requested minimums."
    Since I didn't request a minimum grade, they thought it didn't deserve a straight grade!

    Doug

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    What was the problem that CACG had with it that CAC didn't? They're going to have to make sure they're on the same page regarding that kind of thing.

    Bingo.
    And, if I understand correctly, if you send it back in to CACG with the sticker, they will straight grade it….

    So the moral of the story is you’ve spent more in grading fees (so far) than the coin is worth, downgraded it by 10 points, and are considering spending more to send it back to cacg again?

    Perhaps should’ve left it be in the ANACS holder and cut it loose in a greatcollections auction with a $1 start.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin; the logic of rejection and downgrade I'll leave to the real numismatists.

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭

    I certainly didn't save money by sending it to CACG.
    I won't send the coin back to CACG, I'm happy the way it is.
    The coin is in my registry set, so leaving it in the ANACS holder wasn't an option.

    Doug

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 6:34PM

    @Crepidodera said:

    The coin is in my registry set,

    Link?

  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seems like I'm the only one to say CACG didn't straight grade it....

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  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 169 ✭✭✭✭

    Mike,

    My set is registered at NGC, under the circulated coins only- liberty seated quarter category, as the Iowa Collection.
    Also, at PCGS in the liberty seated quarter CAC category.

    Kudos to @SurfinxHI!

    Doug

  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigjpst said:
    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

    Pcgs threw a bone to the submitter and graciously net graded it a 35. I’m in the camp of agreeing with cacg details grade / refusal to holder.

  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:

    @bigjpst said:
    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

    Pcgs threw a bone to the submitter and graciously net graded it a 35. I’m in the camp of agreeing with cacg details grade / refusal to holder.

    Except that CACG will straight grade it now that it has a CAC sticker. So, like all other grading services, CACG doesn't always agree with itself.

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  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WinLoseWin said:

    @1madman said:

    @bigjpst said:
    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

    Pcgs threw a bone to the submitter and graciously net graded it a 35. I’m in the camp of agreeing with cacg details grade / refusal to holder.

    Except that CACG will straight grade it now that it has a CAC sticker. So, like all other grading services, CACG doesn't always agree with itself.

    The real test is to now send it to CACG and see what happens. IF they grade it, then you have the case to send it back to them/call them and say, well, you done messed that up and I want a refund of my original grading fees. Now that would be superb.

    But, CAC is loathe to grade anything that has that much dirt embedded in the devices and clean fields, IMHO. Meaning that they know it has been cleaned in some way shape or form. And they originally declined to grade it. So...maybe they should stick with their gut call. Again tho, as others have pointed out, the grading services are NOT necessarily consistent day to day and they'd just likely call this a matter of inconsistency.

    Surf

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WinLoseWin said:

    @1madman said:

    @bigjpst said:
    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

    Pcgs threw a bone to the submitter and graciously net graded it a 35. I’m in the camp of agreeing with cacg details grade / refusal to holder.

    Except that CACG will straight grade it now that it has a CAC sticker. So, like all other grading services, CACG doesn't always agree with itself.

    You'd think that they would remember the coin and maybe go back and review it and not sticker it. Have they ever been known to reconsider and "unsticker" a coin?

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WinLoseWin said:

    @1madman said:

    @bigjpst said:
    So this could be in the other thread where the question is if most here agree it looks to be a 40-45 and PCGS calls it a 35. Is PCGS wrong? Or do we think they net graded it to 35 because of the small scratch in reverse?

    Pcgs threw a bone to the submitter and graciously net graded it a 35. I’m in the camp of agreeing with cacg details grade / refusal to holder.

    Except that CACG will straight grade it now that it has a CAC sticker. So, like all other grading services, CACG doesn't always agree with itself.

    Perhaps this is the smartest technique a grading company has come up with yet as to extract money from its customers? Submit to CACG first where it body bags, then go get it holdered in another tpg slab, and resubmit to cac stickering, then once it stickers resubmit back to CACG for a straight grade.

    And here I thought JA said he was trying to cut costs for coin collectors? He’s able to pocket 2 grading fees and 1 sticker fee per coin. Genius or unethical? You decide

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crepidodera said:
    In my opinion, PCGS didn't net grade the coin. They're very conservative grading liberty seated quarters.
    You need a magnifying glass to notice the small scratch on the reverse.

    Did CAC also throw a bone when they stickered the coin?

    Here's another coin that CACG wouldn't certify at any grade. This one is now PCGS XF40 CAC.


    According to your experience on the original coin, you actually got screwed by only getting a green sticker. A gold sticker should’ve been automatic if pcgs is very conservative, and the coin is closer to a xf45.

    As far as the new 1873-s shown, what is going on to the left of the shield extending to the star? I also agree with cacg not holdering this coin.

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