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I guess it's kinda the same place, that being in the water.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That seller would do anything to make a buck. I have screenshots somewhere of some blatant shilling in his earlier eBay days.

  • There was good ol' raymar back in the early 2010s who used to buy raw/unattributed cobs on eBay and then take his best guess at a sensibly matching wreck pedigree and print up fake certs to flip them... NUMEROUS times. Always amusing when his attribution wasn't possible for the date of the coin.

    Oh, then there's the old-time salvor (like real deal wrecks, known name)... who used to do the same thing. With his OWN branded certs.

  • I appreciate the Insite of the members who have played in this arena for a while. It gives me pause when I even look at these Cobs and Reales. In the back of my mind there's a voice saying are they legitimate... counterfeit? Is it possible the grading services don't know?

  • @NorthStar said:
    I appreciate the Insite of the members who have played in this arena for a while. It gives me pause when I even look at these Cobs and Reales. In the back of my mind there's a voice saying are they legitimate... counterfeit? Is it possible the grading services don't know?

    The actual coin here is genuine... it just doesn't belong to that COA.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certificates with photos are helpful here. The coin needs to match the photo on the certificate and the certificate must be issued by the salvor or another proper authority, like the Atocha certificates, or a TPG holder. Whoever issues the certificate needs to stand behind it with a guarantee of authenticity, like our hosts here, do.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • After the comments, I understand the OP's title.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Us Americans tend to be fluent in sarcasm, but not all of us.

    If you speak sarcasm the title makes perfect sense.

    It's from the ocean. What's the difference where it was found? That was his point.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have that seller flagged for sketchy behaviors in the past already. Whether this was done knowingly or not, it doesn't surprise me.

    IG: DeCourcyCoinsEbay: neilrobertson
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