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mulecollectors
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I have been collecting error coins bugs from all over the world for over 20 years. Recently I put the mule in the photo on eBay and there was a lot of interest in it, but someone removed my auction because "I violated the sales regulations". I will add that I do not know if this is an official creation of the Denver mint, but it was definitely made using original dies, in my opinion. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to provide explanations and we can even conclude a transaction. Greetings, Gregor from Poland
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If it is not an official Mint product, it is a counterfeit; it is against eBay policy to sell counterfeits and it is also illegal under U.S. law.
The obverse of this counterfeit is double struck, with the second strike off center, but without a matching off center strike on the reverse. Please explain how you think this could happen on a genuine coin.
Overstruck on a genuine 2006-up nickel with false dies.
I think, like you, that this is not an official mule, I just think that someone at the mint played with the dies at the mint and created such a product - maybe as a souvenir? I don't know, but for me it is a very interesting coin.
It is a counterfeit error. That is why you cannot sell it on eBay.
I don't have to sell it on ebay. For me, this is a curiosity from the USA
It was likely made in Bulgaria, with the other counterfeit "Silverstone errors" so you are wrong again.
Once again, a counterfeit.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
However, I'm not wrong because I got it from my friend from the USA but I didn't ask where he got it from.
He got it from Bulgaria.
I won't find out where he got it from. Thank you for the explanation and I will ask again on this forum. Regards to everyone
Why are you calling it a "mule"? Even if it were a legitimate error, it's not a mule. I would expect a "mulecollectors" to know that.
For me it's a mule, whether intentional or not.
A mule is a coin that has mismatched obverse and reverse dies. That is a Jefferson nickel on both sides so would not be a mule, whether intentional or not. Mule is not a synonym for error.
https://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/mule_coin/
Thank you, I'll be happy to read it
I just wanted to ask collectors about it: does something that is not cataloged and documented have no right to exist, or is the determinant of originality a grading coffin or a catalog or different opinions of various specialists?
No hej Grzes.
A new discovery has the right to exist. According to the experts here, this is a counterfeit. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You said " but it was definitely made using original dies, in my opinion. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to provide explanations"
Opinions can be wrong. And you have not provided any explanations of how this could have happened in the minting process.
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Maybe I was expressing myself regarding the explanation, I meant that it was probably not the process of minting the coin that did it, but the intentional minting by someone who had access to the dies, e.g. as a souvenir or a desire to sell it to someone interested?
A coin like this would be very difficult to sell without first being authenticated and slabbed by one of the major grading services.
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You have already received 2 explanations for why the error you posted cannot be genuine. I pointed out to you that the reverse does not have an off center strike that matches the obverse.
@MarkKelley then pointed out that, while it is dated 1982, the reverse design (with designer's initials to the right of Monticello) was not introduced until 2006. That means a nickel from 2006 or later was overstruck with a counterfeit 1982 obverse die.
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I know and I agree, but why a false matrix? For me it is the original matrix, but the print is distorted, maybe by a "hidden" impact - I don't know.
Please do yourself and the coin community a favor and throw it in the garbage. That way neither you or anyone else will be fooled by it again or attempt to sell it illegally.
At least it’s more interesting than the “parking lot errors” that get posted…
As already posted by a few above – it’s a counterfeit overstrike.
The reverse is buckled among other elements that show it is not a genuine US mint product
(I’ll assume the original nickel strike is genuine)
……. and I agree, the odds favor its point of origin as Bulgaria…..
…….. although it could be anywhere in that area
I'm sorry... but can we please stop teaching the counterfeiter?
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Good morning. Thank you all for your answers and valuable tips - now this coin is much more interesting to me. Mr. "neophyte", I hope that the word "forger" does not apply to me
He did not write forger. But he did beat me to posting the same thought by a couple of seconds.
Sorry my drafts post themselves these days.
After being informed that it is a counterfeit, the OP is now attempting to sell this counterfeit error on the BST:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1098640/mule-error#latest
I agree. But you should add that it is a COUNTERFIET ffrom the USA.
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Please close the topic, I won't ask any more questions
Regards 
Please close the topic, I won't ask any more questions
Regards 
Sorry, but it doesn't work like that - you don't get to decide that a topic is closed just to stop other people from commenting.
You should have taken my advice and thrown your counterfeit error in the garbage instead of trying to sell it for $500.
Yes, I want $500 for this coin and if someone wants to buy it for research or as a curiosity. Throwing away coins may be good for those who collect grading coffins and if someone tells them that it is an original or not, they believe it and immediately become "collectors". I approach this issue a little differently
So... Yes. I 100% mean you when I say YOU are the counterfeiter referenced above.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Yes, I want $500 for this coin and if someone wants to buy it for research or as a curiosity. Throwing away coins may be good for those who collect grading coffins and if someone tells them that it is an original or not, they believe it and immediately become "collectors". I approach this issue a little differently
so you won't help the poor forger? It's a pity because I was counting on you
Jefferson has no neck.
The false die was over-lapped by the maker.
You have crossed a line. And we appreciate you admitting that you like that side of the line. I think you'll need a new forum because no one here is going to do business with you.
thank you again and being called a forger flatters me very much 🥰 no one has to do business with me here, as a forger I will look for another place, thanks guys and goodbye 😇
Why is everyone still trying to explain? NOTHING will convince him.
An entertaining thread, to say the least.
Maybe it’s time for mods to step in.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
Mods or meds???
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