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Sad indeed
What’s the reverse look like?
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Ouch!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
It’s been getting harder and harder to get raw coins past the graders since the top graders “left”
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Wow, that’s bad. Sorry for you.
Maybe couple years later crack it out and send it again. Different grader might grade differently.
This is a happy example. This coin sold for 130k USD as au details but the buyer changed it to au55 and sold for 3450000 RMB about 481275 USD today’s exchange rate. So there are always sad and happy results.
I has one sad result two years ago from ANACS au details to PCGS counterfeit. Couple Ks was gone because of that.
Bummer
on the bright side, you got a killer True View ..... when you get it, look closely with loupe
Looks more like it NEEDS to be cleaned
You can still buy a loaf of bread with it if the shit hits the fan.
This just shows that crossover at a particular numerical grade would have been a lot smarter, and you could have gotten top notch images in the holder regardless.
I don’t know how much smarter that’ would have been, as it appears that the coin wouldn’t have crossed at a straight grade, anyway. And it’s not like the current images are bad.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
“Brutal” or disappointing? As in, are you highly confident that the coin hasn’t been cleaned?
Regardless, it sure looks attractive and I bet you’ll enjoy it.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Nice coin! The Trueview is washed out because the photographer used way too much light. This is the case on many Trueview images of toned coins. Images taken by Phil were not plagued by this problem. The slab images posted by Braddick are much more accurate and are far superior.
Perhaps it's worth sending to CACG.
Why would you reslab an ugly coin with a fingerprint?
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Opinions are like _____. Brutal, indeed.
What's brutal is the thumbprint.
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Then it should be labeled "dirty", not"cleaned".
No offense to OP but-Looking at the pale washed out look of the reverse and the tiny spots I theorize dipped then retoned over time, perhaps from a Whitman folder... exposing the thumbprint and residual tiny spots from improper rinsing.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
As I’m sure you know, that’s not the case, as they use designations for “cleaned”, not “dirty” or “finger print”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
IMHO, one takeaway is that expert graders can differ in their opinions. Sometimes they even disagree with their own opinion on the same coin a month later.
Personal experience is one factor, combined with the standards of the company they work for, whether they got enough sleep the previous night, and, for all we know, the current phase of the moon.
Once upon a time, a coin ‘expert’ that I know bought a $3 gold piece in a NGC MS64+ holder. He was so sure that it was MS65 that he cracked it out and sent it to PCGS on Walkthrough service.
It came back ‘damaged’ -ungradable.
Shocked, he sent it back to NGC. But while he waited for the results, he had a worried mind - was it actually damaged? What if NGC sees the damage this time (he couldn’t) and also pronounces it ungradable?
This time NGC graded the coin MS64.
In the end, he lost the “+”, hundreds of dollars in grading and shipping expenses, and, no doubt, some of his confidence.
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Why did OP crack it out of the NGC holder?
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
The coin grading business is centered upon an "opinion" of a person or persons given at a specific date, hour, minute and second (in most cases arrived at after viewing a submitted coin for 5 to 8 seconds).
Opinions are just that. They can and do change. One has to decide if money spent seeking and obtaining such an opinion is warranted.
Other areas of human endeavor are also centered around an "opinion" (for example ice skating, gymnastics, accounting, law, medicine, art, body building, fashion, etc.).
Cleaned or not, the OP's coin is, IMO, eye appealing, even with the fingerprint.
Just enjoy the coin. If you like it then enjoy it for what your opinion of the coin is.
I've cracked out several coins that cost me a few bucks just because I wanted to enjoy them out of the slab.
Setting aside value or liquidity of a coin I think holding a coin by its rim and viewing it raw is gratifying.
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Take a $30 coin, add $50 in fees and shipping result melt value, yep that is brutal. I'll never understand the need to spend money to change plastic for such a low value coin.
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I am glad to hear that I am not the only one who had trouble with PCGS...I most likely will try NGC from now on, and CAC if they open membership
You wouldn't normally see a coin like that (toned really nicely going by Trueview) in such a low grade (NGC MS-63). I didn't blow up images to see if any issue, but just looks nice for a MS-63. The white patch in the center of coin could mean really old cleaning, and it partially toned over?
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If I were hell-bent on getting it back in a straight-grade holder, I'd crack it out again and send to ANACS. And, the next time I would cross to PCGS not crack-out.
At the price-point that it sits, It would look hella-good in a Wayte-Raymond book.
To all the detractors regarding finger-printing and toning, I think the coin is exquisite and would pay a 3x-4x premium to book.