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Tracked Whizzed 1813 Bust Half Now on Ebay. Beware!

jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 4, 2023 11:30AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I viewed this coin at a dealer's table at the 2023 TNA show. It was previously cracked by the dealer, and placed in his case showcase raw as problem-free. At first glance, the coin appears to be around the slider Unc grade. Upon close inspection, the coin has been without a doubt whizzed, AU Details.

The coin was purchased by someone raw, certified as PCGS AU Detail Surfaces Smoothed, and consigned to Great Collections. The coin was purchased from Great Collections, cracked once again, and listed on Ebay under Denver Coins Co, former Canyon City Coin.

Buyer beware, this coin is not from an "ORIGINAL COLLECTION" :D The seller, if you did not already know, cracks problem coins, photoshops his images, and lists the problem coins on Ebay. I wish justice could be served for scumbags like this seller.

Raw TNA

GC Slabshots

Ebay

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Win it and SNAD. Play the game within the confines of the rules and frustrate the seller into honesty or something closer to the same than what they're doing now. ;)

    Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not that there is a solid chain of custody after the GC sale, but @ianrussell might want to be aware of this in case a pattern occurs. Would it be possible to deny sales to a customer who is confirmed to buy problem coins, crack them out and sell as problem-free? They'd probably just make a new account anyway.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From conclusion of the GC sale on 11/26, shipping, and listing on Ebay 12/3, I think it is almost certain that Denver Coins purchased it from GC.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great work. How did they tone it so fast, not that is is nice.

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    Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 236 ✭✭✭

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Great work. How did they tone it so fast, not that is is nice.

    It's not toned, they just edit their photos.

    Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would like to know how they maintain a 100% feedback rating

    Collector, occasional seller

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    lermishlermish Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jacrispies said:
    I viewed this coin at a dealer's table at the 2023 TNA show. It was previously cracked by the dealer, and placed in his case showcase raw as problem-free. At first glance, the coin appears to be around the slider Unc grade. Upon close inspection, the coin has been without a doubt whizzed, AU Details.

    The coin was purchased by someone raw, certified as PCGS AU Detail Surfaces Smoothed, and consigned to Great Collections.

    As reprehensible as Canyon/Denver is, at least they are widely known for being extraordinarily unethical. Who is this dealer who initiated the downhill rolling ball of excrement?

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    I would like to know how they maintain a 100% feedback rating

    If one generally sells to folks who don't know what they are doing (or don't know well enough what they are doing) then maintaining 100% ebay feedback is not that difficult a task.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    I would like to know how they maintain a 100% feedback rating

    If one generally sells to folks who don't know what they are doing (or don't know well enough what they are doing) then maintaining 100% ebay feedback is not that difficult a task.

    And sadly, all-too-many bad sellers have managed to maintain 100% feedback.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    habaracahabaraca Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Great work. How did they tone it so fast, not that is is nice.

    They call it Lizzard Lights......

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @habaraca

    So similar to the old oven heated/pan fried coin toning, apply just enough heat to effect the surface & tone?

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @jacrispies said:
    I viewed this coin at a dealer's table at the 2023 TNA show. It was previously cracked by the dealer, and placed in his case showcase raw as problem-free. At first glance, the coin appears to be around the slider Unc grade. Upon close inspection, the coin has been without a doubt whizzed, AU Details.

    The coin was purchased by someone raw, certified as PCGS AU Detail Surfaces Smoothed, and consigned to Great Collections.

    As reprehensible as Canyon/Denver is, at least they are widely known for being extraordinarily unethical. Who is this dealer who initiated the downhill rolling ball of excrement?

    I would rather not say. Besides this one incident, he has proven himself a good reputation.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LizardLampGang

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    I would like to know how they maintain a 100% feedback rating

    They offer returns for unhappy customers in which the negative feedback gets eliminated.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This 1813 sold on Ebay for $1,534.98! Someone got toasted. I am sure we will see more of this coin in the future.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jacrispies said:

    @lermish said:

    @jacrispies said:
    I viewed this coin at a dealer's table at the 2023 TNA show. It was previously cracked by the dealer, and placed in his case showcase raw as problem-free. At first glance, the coin appears to be around the slider Unc grade. Upon close inspection, the coin has been without a doubt whizzed, AU Details.

    The coin was purchased by someone raw, certified as PCGS AU Detail Surfaces Smoothed, and consigned to Great Collections.

    As reprehensible as Canyon/Denver is, at least they are widely known for being extraordinarily unethical. Who is this dealer who initiated the downhill rolling ball of excrement?

    I would rather not say. Besides this one incident, he has proven himself a good reputation.

    My guess is @Davidk7

    BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pnies20 You are a menace!

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 236 ✭✭✭

    @Pnies20 said:

    @jacrispies said:

    @lermish said:

    @jacrispies said:
    I viewed this coin at a dealer's table at the 2023 TNA show. It was previously cracked by the dealer, and placed in his case showcase raw as problem-free. At first glance, the coin appears to be around the slider Unc grade. Upon close inspection, the coin has been without a doubt whizzed, AU Details.

    The coin was purchased by someone raw, certified as PCGS AU Detail Surfaces Smoothed, and consigned to Great Collections.

    As reprehensible as Canyon/Denver is, at least they are widely known for being extraordinarily unethical. Who is this dealer who initiated the downhill rolling ball of excrement?

    I would rather not say. Besides this one incident, he has proven himself a good reputation.

    My guess is @Davidk7

    Do @jacrispies and I need to bust out your new nickname again :o

    Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ouch.

    Every coin is looking for its rightful owner.... despite the unrighteousness . Happy collecting. Great sleuthing.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pcgs coin seems to have a much stronger clash under the bust than the one sold on eBay...in my view.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look at the small dent adjacent to the first star, on the rim.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Look at the small dent adjacent to the first star, on the rim.

    Where shown, the rim gouges on both two sides to the coin are identical. Also the fingerprints on the reverse are identical. The clash mark potential differences are a function of the photography for each pair of images.


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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought a slab from this seller. The slab was cracked and not in the description. Also the coin looked a hell of a lot better in the auction.
    The trick for these douchebags is that once a refund is given you can't leave feedback. Otherwise this guy wouldn't be able to give coins away.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From an
    Original collection. The 💩 can’t get deep enough with this seller. Might as well add Eliasberg pedigree

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    raycycaraycyca Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭

    I have seen these auctions and been close to pulling the trigger, BUT..... They just seem TOO darn good at those prices. MUST be something wrong. Thanks for outing them. I'll take ALL their coins off my watch list and never look back/at their coins again! Thanks for the bust, pun intended! Ray

    You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!

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    Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Denver coins co is at it again. This time cracking a CACG QC coin. Interesting 🤔

    Clearly the same coin. See scratch S8 to dentils. Weak strike in Scroll makes “UR” and part of “I” in Pluribus unreadable.


    BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They also relisted the whizzed 1813 yesterday, already at nearly $600😐

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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