Early copper guys...is this a Sheldon 64?

Trumbo

1794 cent on eBay...item 145478176601
Pretty corroded, but nice pics of reverse, Sheldon 64?

ElKevvo

Here's the link:

https://ebay.com/itm/145478176601

K

Trumbo

Thanks elkevvo

Walkerguy21D

I don’t have my books, but I wouldn’t pay >$200 for that unless it was an R6 or higher.

rhedden

At best, it used to be an S-64 before someone dropped it in the dirt and it corroded away for 100+ years. What's the point of collecting die varieties if the original surface of the coin isn't there any more?

JimTyler

For sale by the King of detail coins. I guess you can make money with a business model of selling crap.

opportunity

No, it's an S-55 that is in absolutely horrible condition.

epc

@rhedden said:
At best, it used to be an S-64 before someone dropped it in the dirt and it corroded away for 100+ years. What's the point of collecting die varieties if the original surface of the coin isn't there any more?

Your meaning is clear enough, but someone could take that as an argument for collecting only MS70...

rhedden

@epc said:

@rhedden said:
At best, it used to be an S-64 before someone dropped it in the dirt and it corroded away for 100+ years. What's the point of collecting die varieties if the original surface of the coin isn't there any more?

Your meaning is clear enough, but someone could take that as an argument for collecting only MS70...

What kind of person would take it that way? It's a completely ludicrous point, since no large cents of any date have been certified as MS70 by ANACS, PCGS, NGC, or CACG.

epc

@rhedden said:

@epc said:

@rhedden said:
At best, it used to be an S-64 before someone dropped it in the dirt and it corroded away for 100+ years. What's the point of collecting die varieties if the original surface of the coin isn't there any more?

Your meaning is clear enough, but someone could take that as an argument for collecting only MS70...

What kind of person would take it that way? It's a completely ludicrous point, since no large cents of any date have been certified as MS70 by ANACS, PCGS, NGC, or CACG.

I'm a fan of precision in communication, especially impersonal communication that lacks visual and audible cues to intended meaning. I was just making these points: 1) As soon as any of the "original surface" is damaged or has undergone chemical reaction or has been subjected to "honest wear", it is no longer strictly original. 2) Yes, that would leave precious few coins to collect, in any series. Even the "perfect" modern stuff will eventually be not-so-perfect.

My intent was light-hearted. So, I am disappointed that it got such an insulting reaction. I guess I'll have to be more wordy, to try to ensure my meaning is taken exactly as I'm thinking it.

Manifest_Destiny

rhedden

@opportunity said:
No, it's an S-55 that is in absolutely horrible condition.

Great job on the attribution. S-55, R2. The "A" in STATES is punched quite high and leaning left. The N of cent is high, and the T is even higher.

Due to the advanced corrosion, smaller diagnostics like the fraction bar and berries are difficult to discern. In fact, even the date is completely missing. However, the punching of the letters gives it away as the common S-55 die marriage, not the highly desirable S-64 ("No Fraction Bar" as listed in PCGS Coinfacts).

epc

Yes, a great example of exercising attribution skills on a highly impaired coin!

Trumbo

Thanks for the help