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John F. Kennedy was assassinated exactly sixty years ago today. Hard to believe...

EstilEstil Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭✭
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  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back and to the left!

    Kiss me once, shame on you.
    Kiss me twice.....let's party.
  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nathaniel1960 said:
    Back and to the left!

    Keith Hernandez was FRAMED!

  • stwainfanstwainfan Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We still haven't been told the truth about the JFK assassination.

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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oswald DID NOT do it! If he was involved he certainly did not pull it off by himself. I personally think he was set up.

    Everyone interested needs to research reporter Dorothy Kilgallen. She was all over the conspiracy and died suspiciously. After the FBI came into her apartment, they stole all of her research and writings on JFK.

    Shane

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been to the site of the assassination and to the 6th floor museum. Was always on my bucket list. For sure a moving and surreal experience. The site area is alot smaller than one would think. Stood behind the current stockade fence, where it is aledged a second gunman stood. The original fence is long gone due in part to souvenir seekers. The museum was full of photos and artifacts. When you go on the 6th floor you can view the sniper's perch. You are in front of a plexiglass divider, blocking entrance to the sniper area. Also walked up to the overpass bridge and looked back toward the Plaza area.
    Indeed, was a sad day for our country.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a terrible terrible day

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • Oswald was trained to shoot by the marines (Qualified as marksman) and then again by the Soviets when he defected in hopes of becoming a spy. The official story is the Soviets realized he wasnt going to be a good spy and "fired" him or something... but he went on to assassinate the president. The conspiracy here isn't who shot Kennedy, Oswald clearly did it. The conspiracy is about a Soviet trained spy assassinating the president of the U.S.A. and mob/FBI involvement on the U.S. side of things.

    The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.

  • EstilEstil Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭✭

    What I will never for the life me understand is why WHY did they just leave Kennedy wide open inside that open car!?

    WISHLIST
    Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P+S, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
    Quarters: 61D, 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
    74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
    1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
    1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Estil said:
    What I will never for the life me understand is why WHY did they just leave Kennedy wide open inside that open car!?

    I just watched the latest show on JFK. It claimed he insisted on being open and visible to the public.

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  • I always wonder why the 1964 Topps JFK set is not more popular. I have a full set of the cards ungraded and above 30 graded mostly 7 and 8s but the set doesn't seem to be that popular and not many trade on EBAY. The 1956 Topps Presidents Set seems to be a little more popular but that set isn't talked about much either. I'm sure many people on these boards are interested in history and politics and sports cards are basically the history of sports as displayed through our cards. As an aside the Kennedy Museum in Boston is I think one of the best presidential museums and they usually have interesting documentaries the few times I have been.
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2023 2:00PM

    @bumpskier said:
    I always wonder why the 1964 Topps JFK set is not more popular. I have a full set of the cards ungraded and above 30 graded mostly 7 and 8s but the set doesn't seem to be that popular and not many trade on EBAY. The 1956 Topps Presidents Set seems to be a little more popular but that set isn't talked about much either. I'm sure many people on these boards are interested in history and politics and sports cards are basically the history of sports as displayed through our cards. As an aside the Kennedy Museum in Boston is I think one of the best presidential museums and they usually have interesting documentaries the few times I have been.
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    I must've been living under a rock or something but I had no idea Topps did a 1964 JFK set. They did a 1964 election set that year also.

    This is unreal...did you know the 1964 Topps baseball set has BOTH a John Kennedy and a Bobby Kennedy???


    WISHLIST
    Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P+S, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
    Quarters: 61D, 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
    74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
    1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
    1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    I have been to the site of the assassination and to the 6th floor museum. Was always on my bucket list. For sure a moving and surreal experience. The site area is alot smaller than one would think. Stood behind the current stockade fence, where it is aledged a second gunman stood. The original fence is long gone due in part to souvenir seekers. The museum was full of photos and artifacts. When you go on the 6th floor you can view the sniper's perch. You are in front of a plexiglass divider, blocking entrance to the sniper area. Also walked up to the overpass bridge and looked back toward the Plaza area.
    Indeed, was a sad day for our country.

    I had the same experience as you visiting the Plaza and Museum. Didn't go on the overpass - wish I had - but spent a long time there. Went with a friend of mine and told him, "we're going to be here a long time". He understood.

    I was surprised at how small everything is. Photos make it seem large.

    We saw the X in the road from the recreation. And idiots running into traffic to take their picture on top of the X.

    I have never believed the official story and never will. Don't think Oswald fired a shot. IMHO, the photo shows him in front of the TSBD. Doesn't look like Billy Lovelady to me.

  • thedutymon11thedutymon11 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭

    I still remember as a 7 tear old watching the Funeral and procession with my Family when I was 7 years old. This was when TV had exactly 3 Channels and all were exactly the same with different commentators!

    I've been to Dealy Plaza a Three/Five times, museum, Book Depository, Bridge, ect, as it was Required on all long distance vacations because my Father fought in WWII and Korea, and Kennedy was his Dude! Only time I ever remember my Father crying, which was the reason I found it so memorble!

    I don't believe in all the Conspiracy Crap, Oswald did it with or without help?

    YeeHaw!

    Neil

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bumpskier said:
    I always wonder why the 1964 Topps JFK set is not more popular. I have a full set of the cards ungraded and above 30 graded mostly 7 and 8s but the set doesn't seem to be that popular and not many trade on EBAY. The 1956 Topps Presidents Set seems to be a little more popular but that set isn't talked about much either. I'm sure many people on these boards are interested in history and politics and sports cards are basically the history of sports as displayed through our cards. As an aside the Kennedy Museum in Boston is I think one of the best presidential museums and they usually have interesting documentaries the few times I have been.
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    We did visit the JFK museum in Boston as well. Been to Arlington to his grave.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Estil said:
    What I will never for the life me understand is why WHY did they just leave Kennedy wide open inside that open car!?

    A bubble top was available for use atop the car. It was considered if the morning rain had continued, which it did not. The weather had cleared upon Air Force Ones landing at Love Field. Hence the protective weather bubble was not used. This decision was made by Bill Moyer's, he of public TV fame. Regardless, it would not have made a difference as the bubble was plastic and not bullet proof. At best it may have offered a slight deflection of a bullet. As far as is known no test was conducted in any recreations of the shooting that included the bubble top to test such a theory. We will never know how effective it would of been in preventing this tragic event.

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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RiveraFamilyCollect said:
    Oswald was trained to shoot by the marines (Qualified as marksman) and then again by the Soviets when he defected in hopes of becoming a spy. The official story is the Soviets realized he wasnt going to be a good spy and "fired" him or something... but he went on to assassinate the president. The conspiracy here isn't who shot Kennedy, Oswald clearly did it. The conspiracy is about a Soviet trained spy assassinating the president of the U.S.A. and mob/FBI involvement on the U.S. side of things.

    I promise I am not a jerk or someone that just wants to argue. I believe in "agreeing to disagree" when a conclusion can't be agreed upon.

    Having said that, I challenge you to look into the famous, and very well respected reporter named Dorothy Kilgallen. Before I looked into her and her story, I was back and forth at times. Bill O'Reilly's book "Killing Kennedy" had me questioning my previous belief that Oswald had nothing to do with it.

    Dorothy Kilgallen was at the trial of Jack Ruby. Just days before she very suspiciously died, she told only a few of her close friends that she was going to shock the world with the truth about the JFK assassination. She believed Jack Ruby shot Oswald to "shut him up". The morning she died (and most likely murdered), the FBI cleaned out her apartment and took all of her research regarding JFK and Jack Ruby. That research is gone now! She didn't "buy" the Warren Commission Report for a second, and neither do I.

    Look into books by Mark Shaw about Dorothy Kilgallen. One is "The Reporter Who Knew Too Much". I have not read or listened to that one as of yet, but I am in the middle of "Collateral Damage" by Mark Shaw. He connects Dorothy Kilgallen's death with Marilyn Monroe, JFK, and RFK. It is fascinating to say the least.

    Usually, I have a philosophy of "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one". Not in this case. Too many obvious holes in the Warren Commission Report. Also, take a look at the 1970's book called, "Best Evidence". After reading these books, it would probably change your mind.

    Shane

  • @frankhardy said:
    Dorothy Kilgallen was at the trial of Jack Ruby. Just days before she very suspiciously died, she told only a few of her close friends that she was going to shock the world with the truth about the JFK assassination. She believed Jack Ruby shot Oswald to "shut him up". The morning she died (and most likely murdered), the FBI cleaned out her apartment and took all of her research regarding JFK and Jack Ruby. That research is gone now! She didn't "buy" the Warren Commission Report for a second, and neither do I.
    Usually, I have a philosophy of "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one". Not in this case. Too many obvious holes in the Warren Commission Report. Also, take a look at the 1970's book called, "Best Evidence". After reading these books, it would probably change your mind.

    What's the conclusion of "Best Evidence?" The part of the Warren report I find to be suspicious is the "Oswald acted alone and so did Jack Ruby, the mobster." That's nonsense the Soviets and Mob were involved and probably the FBI. So yea Warren repot was a rug sweep. But I still think Oswald was the only shooter. This is a good debate, I wouldn't think you a jerk for giving me more information! This is great.

    The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 23, 2023 2:31PM

    In the Hulu show "JFK One day in America" at one point we hear Oswald say "I'm a patsy". I thought this was an unusual statement, indicating a conspiracy.
    I would think most people, if innocent, might say "I'm innocent" or "I'm being framed" but I'm a patsy"?
    Doesn't prove a thing, but I thought his choice of words was unusual.

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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RiveraFamilyCollect said:

    @frankhardy said:
    Dorothy Kilgallen was at the trial of Jack Ruby. Just days before she very suspiciously died, she told only a few of her close friends that she was going to shock the world with the truth about the JFK assassination. She believed Jack Ruby shot Oswald to "shut him up". The morning she died (and most likely murdered), the FBI cleaned out her apartment and took all of her research regarding JFK and Jack Ruby. That research is gone now! She didn't "buy" the Warren Commission Report for a second, and neither do I.
    Usually, I have a philosophy of "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one". Not in this case. Too many obvious holes in the Warren Commission Report. Also, take a look at the 1970's book called, "Best Evidence". After reading these books, it would probably change your mind.

    What's the conclusion of "Best Evidence?" The part of the Warren report I find to be suspicious is the "Oswald acted alone and so did Jack Ruby, the mobster." That's nonsense the Soviets and Mob were involved and probably the FBI. So yea Warren repot was a rug sweep. But I still think Oswald was the only shooter. This is a good debate, I wouldn't think you a jerk for giving me more information! This is great.

    I agree! I love this topic and I love friendly discussions even if there is disagreement.

    "Best Evidence" is a book I read probably 23 or 24 years ago. I remember because it was during my early years at my current job. I read it on my break. I honestly can't remember the exact conclusion. I do remember the premise, however. The "best evidence" is the body of the President. The author clearly proves that the body was BADLY handled in Dallas. The autopsy process was very shady. The author believes that the body was tampered with on the flight from Dallas to Bethesda. I do believe (though not certain) that the author did not buy the Oswald theory or the Warren Commission. At the very least, I don't think the author believes Oswald did it alone.

    Here are my sincere thoughts. IF....and I mean IF....Oswald was involved in the shooting, though he may have been a marksman....IF he was a shooter, he WAS NOT the only shooter. I tend to believe that Oswald was set up.

    I am not sure where I heard the following information....it may have been during my "research" into Dorothy Kilgallen... but if you will remember, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested NOT for shooting the President, but for shooting Officer J.D. Tippet. I believe it was Dorothy Kilgallen (relayed in the books written my Mark Shaw) (my son just told me that HE is the one that told me this!) that Oswald killed Officer Tippet, not for murder, but in self defense. Dorothy Kilgallen, in her interviews with Jack Ruby in prison came to the conclusion that Officer Tippet was involved in trying to kill Oswald to shut him up. When Oswald killed Officer Tippet in self defense, Jack Ruby then killed Oswald as a last resort. The entire Dallas Police Department was very tight with Jack Ruby. They all frequented his night club, and Jack Ruby could come and go as he pleased all over the DPD without suspicion at all. Dorothy Kilgallen (and Mark Shaw) believes that Ruby and Tippet were involved in a much higher conspiracy that involved the mob and the CIA.

    This is all intriguing to me! My now 23 year old son has always been intrigued by it as well and did his high school senior research paper on the JFK assassination. His conclusion was that, although the mob and the CIA actually were behind it all, a man (still alive) by the name of James Files actually pulled the trigger behind the fence on the grassy knoll. He is 99% convinced of it. I am not that convinced of that detail, but it certainly has merit.

    Shane

  • 19591959 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭

    I have a friend that has the gun that his grandfather left to him that he (the grandfather) says was the gun that shot Kennedy . ITs a Remington 221 Fireball made in 1963 . He says two men Rossini and Nicke
    ty (pulled the trigger) shot from the Mall. CIA and the mob were behind it all . Who Knows???/

  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thedutymon11 said:

    I don't believe in all the Conspiracy Crap, Oswald did it with or without help?

    Every single doctor who saw Kennedy in Dallas says he was shot from the front. Every. Single. One. That means at least one shot Oswald could not have made.

  • Lyndon B Johnson was so hard core in on that.

  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @thedutymon11 said:

    I don't believe in all the Conspiracy Crap, Oswald did it with or without help?

    Every single doctor who saw Kennedy in Dallas says he was shot from the front. Every. Single. One. That means at least one shot Oswald could not have made.

    Agreed!

    Shane

  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ridethelightning said:
    Lyndon B Johnson was so hard core in on that.

    Very possible!

    Shane

  • judgebuckjudgebuck Posts: 989 ✭✭✭

    I remember reading Best Evidence 20-25 years ago. I was so into it that I took notes. I'm going to see if I can find them. As has been stated, the medical evidence clearly supported shot or shots from the front.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @judgebuck said:
    I remember reading Best Evidence 20-25 years ago. I was so into it that I took notes. I'm going to see if I can find them. As has been stated, the medical evidence clearly supported shot or shots from the front.

    I'm sure I buy Lifton's premise that the body was surgically altered between Dallas and the autopsy but the differences between what the doctors reported are SO stark that it's hard to come up with any other explanation.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Missing brain would point to the fact that there's something going on. The only way to prove where the shots came from would be by doing an examination of the brain. It's gone.

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