@Mr_Spud said:
Maybe just try soaking for a bit in acetone and if that doesn’t remove it then just leave it alone.
How about acetone on q-tips would that work? Or is that not good?
That’s fine. The idea would be to see if it is some foreign contaminant on the surface like tar, which would probably come off with acetone or if it is the metal itself which discolored in which case the acetone wouldn’t remove it.
@Mr_Spud said:
Maybe just try soaking for a bit in acetone and if that doesn’t remove it then just leave it alone.
How about acetone on q-tips would that work? Or is that not good?
That’s fine. The idea would be to see if it is some foreign contaminant on the surface like tar, which would probably come off with acetone or if it is the metal itself which discolored in which case the acetone wouldn’t remove it.
I will do both and see what happens. In what order should I do it? Acetone bath first or q-tips?
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
@davewesen said:
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
@davewesen said:
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
I do not know without looking closely at coin. That color also could be staining or toning.
@davewesen said:
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
I do not know without looking closely at coin. That color also could be staining or toning.
If PVC would it not all come off with the acetone bath? I thought PVC was green looking?
@davewesen said:
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
I do not know without looking closely at coin. That color also could be staining or toning.
If PVC would it not all come off with the acetone bath? I thought PVC was green looking?
PVC is colorless. The green color is not the PVC itself but the decomposition products
@davewesen said:
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
I do not know without looking closely at coin. That color also could be staining or toning.
If PVC would it not all come off with the acetone bath? I thought PVC was green looking?
PVC is colorless. The green color is not the PVC itself but the decomposition products
@davewesen said:
do you have any wood handled cotton swabs? moisten in acetone and roll over coin dark spots
He just said he let it soak in acetone for 24 hours.
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If you are sending it in for grading, you may want to include using their conservation service although I'm not sure if this coin is valuable enough to worth the expense.
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Use a soldering iron and try to remove some of that old solder. It's not enough heat to damage the coin but you might get lucky with the solder-
It won't grade in the state that it's in so you have nothing to lose -
Perhaps a small butane torch would work better than a soldering iron. Also, the melted solder would need to be wicked off the coin. Agree that the OP has nothing to lose with the coin being in its current condition.
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If you have a small crucible, a few minutes with a mapp gas torch ought to separate the solder and silver.
The solder should wind up floating on top kind of like scum and can be skimmed off with a piece of small wire.
The other gunk will evaporate.
Edited to add, the molten silver needs to be poured quickly and carefully into some sort of round mold. You can then roll out a new planchet, etc.
@PillarDollarCollector said:
It is a tougher date in the series I collect that is why I purchased it it will have to do for now. If I send it to NGC what should I write to make sure it ends up in a holder vs them not holdering it? I still want it in a NGC holder no matter the grade.
A local jeweler who does jewelry repair may be able to remove what appears to be solder from a prior mounting. It never hurts to ask.
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Will NGC holder it if I ask for that option or do they sometimes simply refuse to holder some coins? Will be sending in 10-12 coins in a single package sometime in 2024.
Buying problem coins and trying to undo the problem or worry about getting them into plastic must be frustrating..
The beauty of problem coins is that they don't need to be in tpg holders, IMHO.
The wisdom of the ancients around here... simply get rid of the offending coin and buy one you like.
But you probably didn't need to hear that again.
@PillarDollarCollector said:
Will NGC holder it if I ask for that option or do they sometimes simply refuse to holder some coins? Will be sending in 10-12 coins in a single package sometime in 2024.
Anyone??? Never sent coins in before to have them graded. I am hoping there is an option to make sure they are all slabbed no matter the grades. Do not want any coin coming back not inside a NGC holder. Must be an option on the grading form?
@PillarDollarCollector said:
Will NGC holder it if I ask for that option or do they sometimes simply refuse to holder some coins? Will be sending in 10-12 coins in a single package sometime in 2024.
Anyone??? Never sent coins in before to have them graded. I am hoping there is an option to make sure they are all slabbed no matter the grades. Do not want any coin coming back not inside a NGC holder. Must be an option on the grading form?
I doubt they would slab it with that solder on it. Once it's removed, they should slab it with a details grade and a "CLEANED-DAMAGED" notation on the label. I suggest that you call NGC and ask them if their restoration service can remove solder from a rare coin. I'm guessing they'll say no in which case check with some local jewelers who do jewelry repair to see if they can remove the solder. Of course, I'm assuming that black stuff on your coin is solder. Hove you tried something stronger than acetone such as e-Z-est coin dip?
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The solder on the OP's coin is more extensive and in a prime focal area of the coin. It's a gamble whether it will be slabbed or not.
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I guess I'm not understanding the reluctance to address the solder. It looks "fresh" as if it was melted relatively recently to remove the mount.
I've never tried to remove solder from a coin but I'm thinking there might be something that can be done, atleast to greatly minimize it to get it into a details holder.
@JBK said:
I guess I'm not understanding the reluctance to address the solder. It looks "fresh" as if it was melted relatively recently to remove the mount.
I've never tried to remove solder from a coin but I'm thinking there might be something that can be done, atlesst to greatly minimize it to atleast get it into a details holder.
Solder has a low melting point compared to silver and it can be easily melted with a small butane torch and wicked off the surface. Any jeweler that does jewelry repair can probably do this for a few dollars and this coin would look much better.
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@davewesen said:
do you have any wood handled cotton swabs? moisten in acetone and roll over coin dark spots
The rolled paper handies are just as safe in acetone. I use Q-Tip brand. Avoid the cheap ones with plastic handles.
Put it back in the acetone overnight, then take it out and immediately poke at the gunk with the end of a Q-Tip moistened in the acetone. Repeat the poking as necessary. You are not going to hurt this coin.
If that doesn’t work, rinse, let dry and try some Goo-Gone.
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Would you guys leave as is or what would you do to remove whatever it is?
Maybe just try soaking for a bit in acetone and if that doesn’t remove it then just leave it alone.
Mr_Spud
How about acetone on q-tips would that work? Or is that not good?
That’s fine. The idea would be to see if it is some foreign contaminant on the surface like tar, which would probably come off with acetone or if it is the metal itself which discolored in which case the acetone wouldn’t remove it.
Mr_Spud
I will do both and see what happens. In what order should I do it? Acetone bath first or q-tips?
Bath first.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
It's standard issue old coin goo from grandpa's coin jar.
"What kind of ''goo'' is this?"
Lick it to see what it tastes like.
Does anyone else see what looks like solder at just before 3:00 and just before 9:00?
Was mount removed at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock from ex-jewelry?
I have seen that color before on pits caused by pvc after acetone removal. Is that color on the durface or does it corrode into the coin? Soaking for a very long time in acetone will not hurt silver and a wood handled cotton swab rolled over the surface might get some stuff off.
Yes I saw that it will not grade numerically but will have to do till I find better.
So you think the coin had PVC on it at some point?
I do not know without looking closely at coin. That color also could be staining or toning.
If PVC would it not all come off with the acetone bath? I thought PVC was green looking?
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Anyone else here think this could be due to PVC due to improper cleaning?
PVC is colorless. The green color is not the PVC itself but the decomposition products
Thanks
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do you have any wood handled cotton swabs? moisten in acetone and roll over coin dark spots
He just said he let it soak in acetone for 24 hours.
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Looks like corrosion to me.
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If you are sending it in for grading, you may want to include using their conservation service although I'm not sure if this coin is valuable enough to worth the expense.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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Two things I would try -
WD-40 and a Q-Tip on the gunk -
Use a soldering iron and try to remove some of that old solder. It's not enough heat to damage the coin but you might get lucky with the solder-
It won't grade in the state that it's in so you have nothing to lose -
Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack
Perhaps a small butane torch would work better than a soldering iron. Also, the melted solder would need to be wicked off the coin. Agree that the OP has nothing to lose with the coin being in its current condition.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
If you have a small crucible, a few minutes with a mapp gas torch ought to separate the solder and silver.
The solder should wind up floating on top kind of like scum and can be skimmed off with a piece of small wire.
The other gunk will evaporate.
Edited to add, the molten silver needs to be poured quickly and carefully into some sort of round mold. You can then roll out a new planchet, etc.
Have you tried licking it?
I don't know where you buy your chicken but you should find a new store.
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Bad timing for the word as well
Really, LOL
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Let us know how this is resolved (if so). Could be a good learning experience.
A local jeweler who does jewelry repair may be able to remove what appears to be solder from a prior mounting. It never hurts to ask.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Will NGC holder it if I ask for that option or do they sometimes simply refuse to holder some coins? Will be sending in 10-12 coins in a single package sometime in 2024.
This has to work............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Buying problem coins and trying to undo the problem or worry about getting them into plastic must be frustrating..
The beauty of problem coins is that they don't need to be in tpg holders, IMHO.
The wisdom of the ancients around here... simply get rid of the offending coin and buy one you like.
But you probably didn't need to hear that again.
Anyone??? Never sent coins in before to have them graded. I am hoping there is an option to make sure they are all slabbed no matter the grades. Do not want any coin coming back not inside a NGC holder. Must be an option on the grading form?
I doubt they would slab it with that solder on it. Once it's removed, they should slab it with a details grade and a "CLEANED-DAMAGED" notation on the label. I suggest that you call NGC and ask them if their restoration service can remove solder from a rare coin. I'm guessing they'll say no in which case check with some local jewelers who do jewelry repair to see if they can remove the solder. Of course, I'm assuming that black stuff on your coin is solder. Hove you tried something stronger than acetone such as e-Z-est coin dip?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
NGC slabbed this one with solder on the reverse
https://ebay.com/itm/304723475038?hash=item46f2ef3a5e:g:FrkAAOSwxwljiO~l&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4DlUH1Gtd28sDqff92ZJf%2BYTgm%2F%2FRijQNuStwPK4cL6jmV8dtNOpuur1q07qdgojwbUnGvvYa3E6q1N7iNpuSZXzaLBUBSFYFrYTyiqZABBEBR50hTK1CZJc03%2Bj%2BHbGw3Gx%2BXLIJu6rrW9%2B9PTPWjTBo8o5Crrvy7GnHbPDcSZXXSa0i%2B1YUpYYtin4%2BUYNtwuctAkOS%2FQ5kzj1jOwasy1WZvVSOJExDn1iBLFvdtnUO%2FlFP%2FaIqXhqzzW4LWB0CuyFeot1ivRiU72YnrgrFL%2BPtCqt%2BrKTpwsAfZA0l7Js%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_iqj46JYw
The solder on the OP's coin is more extensive and in a prime focal area of the coin. It's a gamble whether it will be slabbed or not.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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I guess I'm not understanding the reluctance to address the solder. It looks "fresh" as if it was melted relatively recently to remove the mount.
I've never tried to remove solder from a coin but I'm thinking there might be something that can be done, atleast to greatly minimize it to get it into a details holder.
Solder has a low melting point compared to silver and it can be easily melted with a small butane torch and wicked off the surface. Any jeweler that does jewelry repair can probably do this for a few dollars and this coin would look much better.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The rolled paper handies are just as safe in acetone. I use Q-Tip brand. Avoid the cheap ones with plastic handles.
Put it back in the acetone overnight, then take it out and immediately poke at the gunk with the end of a Q-Tip moistened in the acetone. Repeat the poking as necessary. You are not going to hurt this coin.
If that doesn’t work, rinse, let dry and try some Goo-Gone.
I have heard soft pressure with a toothpick (or rosebush thorn) can also loosen some gunk but have not tried