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I'm not really good at old world coins and i'm thinking this 1762 UK 3 pence maybe a copy any help would be nice

sorry the photo was taken with a webcam and LED lights

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2023 3:08PM

    Never mind.

  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭

    It looks ok to me. What makes you think it's a copy? It's a common date, as is the following year.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2023 12:39PM

    well as i said i'm not good at old world coins and know copies exist of them so i thought it maybe a copy of one and the price made me think it was one also

    paid under $60 for the coin

    but thanks for the input i'm thankful for it

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  • Yeah, as noted, fairly common date, usually found in pretty good shape. I think that price is about right?

    @robp2 said:
    It looks ok to me. What makes you think it's a copy? It's a common date, as is the following year.

    Of course a 1763 SHILLING should raise alarms...

  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2023 2:56PM

    I bought one for a silly reason:

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    Great Britain Threepence 1763
    Silver, 17.5 x 17.0 mm, 1.46 gm

    Captain Cook's second mission was to search for a mythical southern continent named "Terra Australis". He headed to New Zealand where he sailed along the west coast of the North Island and circled the South Island.

    In January 1770 he stopped at a place he called "Ship Cove" at the north end of the South Island where he picked up supplies and had his crew make repairs on the ship. The crew encountered Maori natives and began trading with them.

    When the repairs were completed and the ship was ready to leave the sailors held a drinking party and invited the natives.

    An old man, who had previously paid several visits, complained that some of Cook's sailors had fired guns at the natives. Cook severely condemned the action of his men as totally unjustifiable.

    During the party an empty bottle was presented to the old man who had complained about the shooting, along with some silver threepenny pieces, dated 1763, and spike nails marked with the broad arrow.

    More:
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1064042/british-george-iii-silver-threepence-1763-captain-cook-coin

    :)

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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    thanks again for all the input on this coin, it now sits in my collection :)

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 714 ✭✭✭✭

    Large to the party but sorry, I believe that three pence is counterfeit.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i respect peoples opinions don't get me wrong but right now the proof is saying real and i'm a collector that goes on proof not opinions just how i do things nothing personal mind you but when faced with proof that tells you something is real one would be a fool to think otherwise

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  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    Large to the party but sorry, I believe that three pence is counterfeit.

    Your reasoning being? What have we missed? The only thing we haven't discussed is the weight, which wasn't given.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 714 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2023 5:44AM

    respect peoples opinions don't get me wrong but right now the proof is saying real and i'm a collector that goes on proof not opinions just how i do things nothing personal mind you but when faced with proof that tells you something is real one would be a fool to think otherwise

    Your reasoning being? What have we missed? The only thing we haven't discussed is the weight, which wasn't given.

    Agree with both statements. I should have supplied what I believe is proof but I didn't have time last night so I will do it now and supply a side by side showing the differences.

    The 3 circles on the photos signify a difference in spacing between the dots and letters
    The square shows on the genuine PCGS photo that there are 7 dots on each side of the crown, the OP's photo shows 6
    There are other minor discrepancies such as the hair but this should be enough to show what I am referring to.
    Now it is possible that there was another set of dies that I was unaware of showing the difference,
    that is why I am not 100% positive it is counterfeit, but it is worth noting.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    weight? too thin to even register on my electric scale and by the looks of the coin i'd say it's less then a few millimeters thick, razor thin edge is a clue this coin just has no weight to it

    the small plastic the coin came in weighs more then the coin does and the bag weighed in at 0.05 g and the coin 0.00 now that is settled does that change anything?

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  • ELuisELuis Posts: 761 ✭✭✭✭

    Here is another coin same year, to compare:

  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2023 7:59AM

    There were many, many dies used for the 1762 & 1763 output, and more than one set of punches. The characters were entered by hand as reducing machines weren't used until the following century, resulting in variable spacing between letters and variations in alignment. Here's a 1762 from different dies again.

    The only year where possibly a single pair of dies was used (I haven't checked) is for the 1765 4d, 3d & 2d (no pennies struck), but then there are fewer than 2 dozen examples known of each denomination. As the earlier link shows, there are many times this number of 1762s listed on ebay at the moment.

    Even in the less prolific years there were multiple dies employed. For example, here is my 1786 2d which has B over inverted B in HIB.

    And here is a 1786 2d that I had in stock with E over H in ET. Presumably the engraver started HIB before correcting.

    The crown punch is different by this time and the obverses are also from different dies with small and large lettering respectively. I don't know how many dies there are in total for any year as I haven't done a survey.

  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silverpop said:
    weight? too thin to even register on my electric scale and by the looks of the coin i'd say it's less then a few millimeters thick, razor thin edge is a clue this coin just has no weight to it

    the small plastic the coin came in weighs more then the coin does and the bag weighed in at 0.05 g and the coin 0.00 now that is settled does that change anything?

    Well, if the coin truly did read at "0.00 grams", that would be a indicator of (a) definitely a fake, and (b) some breakdown of the laws of physics, because a coin has to weigh something; even the world's smallest coins weigh over 0.05 grams. A 1762 threepence should weigh 1.505 grams.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    respect peoples opinions don't get me wrong but right now the proof is saying real and i'm a collector that goes on proof not opinions just how i do things nothing personal mind you but when faced with proof that tells you something is real one would be a fool to think otherwise

    Your reasoning being? What have we missed? The only thing we haven't discussed is the weight, which wasn't given.

    Agree with both statements. I should have supplied what I believe is proof but I didn't have time last night so I will do it now and supply a side by side showing the differences.

    The 3 circles on the photos signify a difference in spacing between the dots and letters
    The square shows on the genuine PCGS photo that there are 7 dots on each side of the crown, the OP's photo shows 6
    There are other minor discrepancies such as the hair but this should be enough to show what I am referring to.
    Now it is possible that there was another set of dies that I was unaware of showing the difference,
    that is why I am not 100% positive it is counterfeit, but it is worth noting.

    They didn’t have master dies back then . . . every die will be different 🤦‍♂️. The coin is fine.

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 732 ✭✭✭✭

    looks alright to me

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