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MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

The two catalogs I have are about twenty years old and the prices quoted are worthless. I want to buy a new "Standard Catalog Of World Coins" but the newest catalog that I can find is 2020. Are these printed every year? If so, I'll just hold off and purchase the 2024 edition.

Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That 2020 edition is as new as you will be able to get for now.

    Below quoted from a CoinTalk post by @BStrauss3

    "F+W Media (owner of the Krause name) went bankrupt in 2019. The 2020 edition of the Standard Catalog of World Coins 1901-2000 was published July 9, 2019. In the bankruptcy auction: The publications (Numismatic News which is the source of most of the data in the books) was sold to Cruz Bay Publications (a division of Active Interest Media). The books were sold to Bertelsmann AG's Penguin Random House Press. An updated catalog edition that had been listed on Krause's website was transferred to Penguin and then dropped shortly afterwards."

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/collecting-world-coins-from-krause-publications.402546/

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also, the prices tended to be all over the place even when you had the latest edition. The books were good for getting some basic info about the coins and sometimes for an idea of relative pricing. However, the best source for pricing would be checking eBay sales and other auction venues. Some world coins have very few sales, so that presents a challenge for pricing. I have heard of cases where a seemingly common coin (low price in Krause) got bid up on eBay simply because it rarely showed up for sale and several people wanted one for their set.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still use the 1994 edition. [Which is why they are bankrupt.] I wouldn't buy a 2024 if it came out because my 1994 covers 1800-1994. A new edition only covers a century and it would cost over$100 to get the same coverage as my 1994.

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My version is 2007 and I bought it long ago. Id love to get the 19th century version, but prices are crazy!

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago, @jmlanzaf

    Thank you for the informed, intelligent answers.

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    @U1chicago, @jmlanzaf

    Thank you for the informed, intelligent answers.

    They are good and thoughtful answers...but that doesn't change the fact that @ownerofawheatiehorde is correct. Seems pretty obvious this should be in the World Coins forum.

  • maymay Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    Thank you for being absolutely no help at all.

    Woah, turn down the heat! :o

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still think it a good overall reference despite the shortcomings. Two years ago, somebody had an extra 2020 on the BST for TEN DOLLARS! Bought that one...

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    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @Mizzou said:
    @U1chicago, @jmlanzaf

    Thank you for the informed, intelligent answers.

    They are good and thoughtful answers...but that doesn't change the fact that @ownerofawheatiehorde is correct. Seems pretty obvious this should be in the World Coins forum.

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    Not to beat a dead horse but, the Standard Catalog Of World Coins includes the United States. More specifically, the United States / Philippines series which is what I'm interested in. These two categories would fall into the U.S. coin forum.

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It took me a few years to acquire a full set. The books are great, my cat loves trying to knead on the pages, and additionally have been useful in flattening out panels of new board games my fiance and I get ourselves into. I further like them for providing a cohesive format and organized coin listings that orders issues by regime history, then by denomination, year, and mintmark. You can't exactly do that with Numista.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @Mizzou said:
    @U1chicago, @jmlanzaf

    Thank you for the informed, intelligent answers.

    They are good and thoughtful answers...but that doesn't change the fact that @ownerofawheatiehorde is correct. Seems pretty obvious this should be in the World Coins forum.

    He asked a simple question and got a simple answer, quickly. I'm not sure why that should be a problem. There's a lot of threads that aren't exactly about US coins.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I still think it a good overall reference despite the shortcomings. Two years ago, somebody had an extra 2020 on the BST for TEN DOLLARS! Bought that one...

    It's a very good reference, in my opinion, despite the shortcomings. It's not just the pricing. There are missing issues and other errors. But it's hard to find a more useful single reference that covers the entire world.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2023 7:50AM

    I believe Krause publ out of print. I do have latest one though. CDN is working on a world coin price guide. I refer to the NGC online world coin price guide. However for World low pop slabbed coins (worth much more than MS60 money) I procure for inventory it’s a function of cost plus and researching what eBay sellers may have one for. At shows many of mine (slabbed world coins) single digit pop so unlikely somebody in bourse room have one (am in drivers seat). It’s a fascinating hunt for them plus so inexpensive vs US.

    Or may just go to innovative mode -Sometimes just use the gentleman’s club, pricing entertainment venue analog $125, $200, $250, $300+ a sort of gut feel relative value (what a player might spend) what’s it worth pricing. Look at all the stickered US coins (many horribly tarnished) where the cac premium in the sheet exceeds those ranges.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I was working for Harlan Berk in the coin shop the SCWC books were some of the most useful references we had.

    I hope that someday somebody does acquire the intellectual rights to them AND the wherewithal to update them in an effective manner.

    If that never happens, then I hope that somebody can acquire the rights to reprint the last edition of each volume on better paper with a hard cover so that future collectors can at least access what the state of the art was at one time. The knowledge of what dates and mint marks are the good ones should be preserved.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2023 10:57AM

    GS had done one for Canada MS Grades like CPG and working on other countries from what I understand. Went and updated my Canadian material from it. It’s a massive project but when complete really something. Would like to see Mexico, France, Italy…..

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  • DrDarrylDrDarryl Posts: 604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Standard Catalog of World Coins includes Hawaii related issues of which I have an interest in (My blog is called "The Hawaiiana Numismatist").

    The NGC website uses the old NumisMaster (Krause Publication) database. The issue with the database is the value prices have not been updated for years. I use the database to pull the Krause identifiers for TPG submissions.

  • en.numista.com is a good site for identifying and pricing world coins, and its free

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 7:08PM

    Numista also handles world banknotes and exonumia.
    I have used it quite a lot.
    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 7:29PM

    Many World Coin Catalogs went out of print in 2020. NGC maintains an online Catalog for World Coins. It’s free Just google the info.

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AIM appears to be assigning new KM#s (see https://numismaster.com/ and https://numismaster.com/?id=-10012282&advancedsearch=true&pageno=1). Their price guide is paywalled: https://numismaster.com/subscriptions

    Numista - which is a terrible price guide, but a wonderful catalog resource - has been picking the KM#s up when known, vs. their N#s.

    NGC's price guide is thought to be using the Numismaster data, although it doesn't say so:

    AIM clearly has everything you would need to create a new printed book, you could reach out and suggest it.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of the US price guides might be useful, but Krause isn't for prices. It's useful for attribution and for collectors to identify what they might want to collect. I'm not aware the prices are anything other than "made up".

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