Standard Catalog Of World Coins -
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The two catalogs I have are about twenty years old and the prices quoted are worthless. I want to buy a new "Standard Catalog Of World Coins" but the newest catalog that I can find is 2020. Are these printed every year? If so, I'll just hold off and purchase the 2024 edition.
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Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
Thank you for being absolutely no help at all.
Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack
That 2020 edition is as new as you will be able to get for now.
Below quoted from a CoinTalk post by @BStrauss3
"F+W Media (owner of the Krause name) went bankrupt in 2019. The 2020 edition of the Standard Catalog of World Coins 1901-2000 was published July 9, 2019. In the bankruptcy auction: The publications (Numismatic News which is the source of most of the data in the books) was sold to Cruz Bay Publications (a division of Active Interest Media). The books were sold to Bertelsmann AG's Penguin Random House Press. An updated catalog edition that had been listed on Krause's website was transferred to Penguin and then dropped shortly afterwards."
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/collecting-world-coins-from-krause-publications.402546/
Also, the prices tended to be all over the place even when you had the latest edition. The books were good for getting some basic info about the coins and sometimes for an idea of relative pricing. However, the best source for pricing would be checking eBay sales and other auction venues. Some world coins have very few sales, so that presents a challenge for pricing. I have heard of cases where a seemingly common coin (low price in Krause) got bid up on eBay simply because it rarely showed up for sale and several people wanted one for their set.
I still use the 1994 edition. [Which is why they are bankrupt.] I wouldn't buy a 2024 if it came out because my 1994 covers 1800-1994. A new edition only covers a century and it would cost over$100 to get the same coverage as my 1994.
My version is 2007 and I bought it long ago. Id love to get the 19th century version, but prices are crazy!
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Thank you for the informed, intelligent answers.
Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack
They are good and thoughtful answers...but that doesn't change the fact that @ownerofawheatiehorde is correct. Seems pretty obvious this should be in the World Coins forum.
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Woah, turn down the heat!
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
I still think it a good overall reference despite the shortcomings. Two years ago, somebody had an extra 2020 on the BST for TEN DOLLARS! Bought that one...
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Not to beat a dead horse but, the Standard Catalog Of World Coins includes the United States. More specifically, the United States / Philippines series which is what I'm interested in. These two categories would fall into the U.S. coin forum.
Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack
It took me a few years to acquire a full set. The books are great, my cat loves trying to knead on the pages, and additionally have been useful in flattening out panels of new board games my fiance and I get ourselves into. I further like them for providing a cohesive format and organized coin listings that orders issues by regime history, then by denomination, year, and mintmark. You can't exactly do that with Numista.
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He asked a simple question and got a simple answer, quickly. I'm not sure why that should be a problem. There's a lot of threads that aren't exactly about US coins.
It's a very good reference, in my opinion, despite the shortcomings. It's not just the pricing. There are missing issues and other errors. But it's hard to find a more useful single reference that covers the entire world.
I believe Krause publ out of print. I do have latest one though. CDN is working on a world coin price guide. I refer to the NGC online world coin price guide. However for World low pop slabbed coins (worth much more than MS60 money) I procure for inventory it’s a function of cost plus and researching what eBay sellers may have one for. At shows many of mine (slabbed world coins) single digit pop so unlikely somebody in bourse room have one (am in drivers seat). It’s a fascinating hunt for them plus so inexpensive vs US.
Or may just go to innovative mode -Sometimes just use the gentleman’s club, pricing entertainment venue analog $125, $200, $250, $300+ a sort of gut feel relative value (what a player might spend) what’s it worth pricing. Look at all the stickered US coins (many horribly tarnished) where the cac premium in the sheet exceeds those ranges.
When I was working for Harlan Berk in the coin shop the SCWC books were some of the most useful references we had.
I hope that someday somebody does acquire the intellectual rights to them AND the wherewithal to update them in an effective manner.
If that never happens, then I hope that somebody can acquire the rights to reprint the last edition of each volume on better paper with a hard cover so that future collectors can at least access what the state of the art was at one time. The knowledge of what dates and mint marks are the good ones should be preserved.
GS had done one for Canada MS Grades like CPG and working on other countries from what I understand. Went and updated my Canadian material from it. It’s a massive project but when complete really something. Would like to see Mexico, France, Italy…..
Standard Catalog of World Coins includes Hawaii related issues of which I have an interest in (My blog is called "The Hawaiiana Numismatist").
The NGC website uses the old NumisMaster (Krause Publication) database. The issue with the database is the value prices have not been updated for years. I use the database to pull the Krause identifiers for TPG submissions.
en.numista.com is a good site for identifying and pricing world coins, and its free
Numista also handles world banknotes and exonumia.
I have used it quite a lot.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin
Many World Coin Catalogs went out of print in 2020. NGC maintains an online Catalog for World Coins. It’s free Just google the info.
AIM appears to be assigning new KM#s (see https://numismaster.com/ and https://numismaster.com/?id=-10012282&advancedsearch=true&pageno=1). Their price guide is paywalled: https://numismaster.com/subscriptions
Numista - which is a terrible price guide, but a wonderful catalog resource - has been picking the KM#s up when known, vs. their N#s.
NGC's price guide is thought to be using the Numismaster data, although it doesn't say so:
AIM clearly has everything you would need to create a new printed book, you could reach out and suggest it.
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Some of the US price guides might be useful, but Krause isn't for prices. It's useful for attribution and for collectors to identify what they might want to collect. I'm not aware the prices are anything other than "made up".