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Dealers who "DON'T DO THE INTERNET" and "HOW Important are images to buyers before purchase" ?

synchrsynchr Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭
edited November 6, 2023 12:53PM in U.S. & World Currency Forum

IN HIGH DOLLAR DEALS ARE IMAGES IMPORTANT TO YOU?
DOES LACK OF IMAGES INDICATE A SCAM POTENTIAL AND SOMETHING TO AVOID?

A dealer that I have never dealt with before contacted me through the PMG Registry to solicit sales of notes to me from Rock's collection. The dealer did not find it easy to show me photos and told me that they were Rock's and rather than send me images, I should go to the PMG Registry, find Rock's sets and see the note images already there.

I logged in and while the PMG Registry did have each note the photo was blank for each image slot (I believe they charge for that). I emailed back and the dealer claimed I needed to take the Registration number of each note, then go to the certification verification page and submit it so then I could see the notes there.

A couple iterations of this churn and I still have not seen the notes, so am really turned off to the point that I am questioning whether or not this is a mythical deal. I contacted the dealer and really questioned what was going on as I had never done a deal with him before and reminded him that this was almost $30,000.00 in notes.

I got back a very heated response that this dealer "IS OLD SCHOOL AND DOES NOT DO THE INTERNET" claiming that I was making him a victim and that I should not be forcing him into some huge full blown E-Commerce site.

Super emotional response and exaggeration

BUT AM I OUT OF LINE HERE IN REQUESTING PICS IN A HIGH END DEAL?
I pay $65 a year for Domain name registration, full website templates and webspace.
Really cheap, no "Full Blown E-Commerce" website but just a place to host photos and basic text where I can quickly upload a photo then send the link to prospective buyers. Very basic, Very easy to use, Very Simple
http://route66collecting.com/1963-1-frns
In this Graphical and Visual hobby I really find it important to be able to see items before buying

Obviously, the dealer does not get it and does not see any value in his ability to display photos to prospective buyers.
In our VERY aging hobby he is not necessarily a unique occurrence

Is it reasonable in high dollar deals to require photos of the items ?

Are dealers who "DON'T DO THE INTERNET" a red flag to you

**Is it reasonable that there are uninvited dealers approaching you and soliciting you for high dollar sales without the ability to show photos of what is being sold or does this set red flags in any of your deals?
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All comments appreciated

Comments

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would certainly want quality scans, but playing the devil’s advocate, John DeRocker (Rock) was known for choosing really “nice for the grade” notes. I would sometimes buy notes from John when he was able to upgrade.

  • humanssuckhumanssuck Posts: 282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know quite a few old school dealers who are reliable and trustworthy and would have reacted as you have stated.

    However, unless i personally knew the person, i would not do a deal with them based on the facts you have presented because it is far more likely its a scam.

  • Serial_no_8Serial_no_8 Posts: 397 ✭✭✭

    @humanssuck said:
    I know quite a few old school dealers who are reliable and trustworthy and would have reacted as you have stated.

    +1
    I know a few dealers who are old school too. But I feel you are entitled to your scans. If you feel uncomfortable with buying blind, then walk. I know I would (talking those figures).

    I have bought/sold notes this way (sight unseen) but its generally low valued notes between collectors I know/trust. It's up to you: but I don't think it calls for heated exchanges. If that were the case, then it would be "all bets off" for me.

  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 433 ✭✭✭

    I agree with Steve_in_Tampa: Jon is one of the few collectors whose notes can be purchased sight unseen.

    I also agree with Synchr: A dealer selling such high-caliber notes should be offering scans without question. It's a disservice to the collector.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "What you see, is what you get" sometimes.

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  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A dealer that "doesn't do the Internet" shouldn't try to sell their notes through the Internet, and shouldn't be surprised or upset about such requests if they choose to attempt it anyway. And they should be unsurprised if they only attain pre-Internet prices.

    I've known several "old-school" dealers. None of them ever have anything to do with selling things online. Several only did coin shows; one (until a couple of years ago) still typed out a snail-mail sales catalogue, on an actual mid-20th-century typewriter. Though I think he used a photocopier to duplicate it, rather than a Gestetner, so there was that one concession to post-1980 technology.

    I'm old-school enough that I'd be super reluctant to pay over US$500 for something without seeing it in person first. Scans can lie (they can be doctored, or stolen).

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As picky as I am, there’s no way under any circumstances I would buy for my collection sight unseen.

    Flipping possibly, but never for my collection.

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My OCD needs very clear images like those over at Heritage but some times some coins I thought were ugly on eBay turned out to be much nicer in hand and that has happened more often than not. I would only buy coins unseen from people I know they are people of their word.

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