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craig44craig44 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

I just saw the vid of him jumping into the stands after the game and having his mom hold him while he literally sobbed. On National Television. Like chest heaving sobbing.

To me, that is a bad look. I cannot imagine what it would take for me to lose it like that in front of the whole sporting world. I feel like that is not a grown man move. maybe i am just not sensitive enough.

I think, if you just have to cry (sob) after a loss, get yourself into the locker room and do it there.

George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭

    Wasnt a good look for sure. I can understand it though. With how the voters vote he most likely lost a chance at the Heisman with that loss. Hes been with Riely a few years and whether OU or USC the defense has let him down. They have to beat Oregon to have a chance at the title and still have UCLA who can beat them with that defense. Oregon has them and Oregon state, and ASU who should be an easy win.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This new generation of kids is just different. He also paints his nails. 🤷

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:
    This new generation of kids is just different. He also paints his nails. 🤷

    paints his nails.

    huh...

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cries like a little b in public........paints his nails........that young man has Chicago Bears written across his forehead

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps mama is crying, thinking that Caleb is slipping as a high future draft pick, and she may not get the new house and car that was promised her? 🏡 🚗

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, the opponent hit a case ace on the river to beat me out of a huge all-in pot.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We've all cried. For real. And our responses to mental stimuli can confound others and ourselves. Like people who laugh in all situations. Or laugh instead of crying. Etc.

    But I think the original post wasn't about crying, per se. We've all seen athletes cry on the field. It's the when, where, and why that matters. And sometimes it would be better off in the locker room.

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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is nothing unmanly about showing emotion in your mother's arms.

    Have a nice day
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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @streeter said:
    There is nothing unmanly about showing emotion in your mother's arms.

    No, and that is why I said we all cry.

    But the point was about perception and having a sense of proper timing.

    I'm not really looking to argue one side or the other.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I learned to never question a guy's heart and toughness because he cries, a lot of people didn't know who Rocky Lockridge was when they saw him crying like a baby on TV during a drug intervention, probably the worst crying you'll ever see. I knew who he was, he was the same guy that waged all-out war on Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez. Crying is human, different things set people off, it doesn't mean that you don't have heart, and you aren't tough.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lTgkBPg6f88

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    Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    This new generation of kids is just different. He also paints his nails. 🤷

    paints his nails.

    huh...

    He painted "F--- Utah" on his nails last year which was even worse since they lost that game.

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    galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And by the way, Lockridge was robbed in that Gomez fight, Lockridge outgunned Gomez that night, but the fight took place in Puerto Rico, Gomez's home country, so what do you expect!

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2023 3:32PM

    I think it’s a different generation. I’m not too worried he cared enough to shed some tears with his mother. Heck I get teary eyed watching movies I’ve seen multiple times. Doesn’t make me a little B, just more sensitive than most men

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

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    bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    as a sneaker full of $hit

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2023 8:24PM

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

    ..
    It definitely bothered me.

    2011 was the worst loss for me, in terms of SBs.

    Simultaneously torn between Welker should have caught it and knowing Brady threw it to the wrong side. Imagine how Welker felt/feels. And it sucks to complain about him because, more than any guy I have probably seen on the Pats, he had complete disregard for his own safety. He went across the middle with complete recklessness.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh no. Dont you dare!!!

    I cant watch it again. I wont watch it again.

    yup, I just watched it again. and he STILL dropped the ball. I keep hoping one of these times he will catch it.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

    ..
    It definitely bothered me.

    2011 was the worst loss for me, in terms of SBs.

    Simultaneously torn between Welker should have caught it and knowing Brady threw it to the wrong side. Imagine how Welker felt/feels. And it sucks to complain about him because, more than any guy I have probably seen on the Pats, he had complete disregard for his own safety. He went across the middle with complete recklessness.

    for me, 11 hurts, because with that one play they put the game away.

    But 07 KILLED me. As in, I had to go away from football for a few months. didnt follow the draft, nothing. I did pick back up during the preseason. But man that one hurt. bad. They were so close to being considered the greatest team to play. And from such a luck/fluke play. Then Brady ALMOST hit Moss on the long bomb that would have won the game in the last seconds. Just a terrible terrible game. I still havent watched the entire game again. I have rewatched all the other ones.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    Oh no. Dont you dare!!!

    I cant watch it again. I wont watch it again.

    yup, I just watched it again. and he STILL dropped the ball. I keep hoping one of these times he will catch it.

    ...
    It's funny how so many different types of threads lead to the same places.

    Sometimes it is to TB12 talk (the original, Terry Bradshaw).

    Sometimes it is to TB12 talk (the GOAT).

    But I digress...

    I remember after that game, Gisele saying that Brady can't throw the ball to himself. That was such a bad look. Welker and Brady were/are very close. The kind of friends that vacation together.

    During Brady's final Pats year or two, Gisele was involved in conversations (AFAIK) with Kraft and Belichick, talking about how her husband was disrespected.

    I've said before...I am married to a Brazilian woman. Since 2000. That always added humor/insight into the Brady/Gisele thing.

    I never met him, but I'm sure if I ever do we can bond over that. Lol.

    That's a joke, just in case it's not obvious

    But back to that SB, if Welker catches that...

    To lose TWICE to Eli...

    But it all worked out.

    Malcolm, go!

    28-3

    @stevek , something

    One more...

    And now, just memories.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

    ..
    It definitely bothered me.

    2011 was the worst loss for me, in terms of SBs.

    Simultaneously torn between Welker should have caught it and knowing Brady threw it to the wrong side. Imagine how Welker felt/feels. And it sucks to complain about him because, more than any guy I have probably seen on the Pats, he had complete disregard for his own safety. He went across the middle with complete recklessness.

    I always said it was just as much Bradys fault but Welker needed to make that catch regardless

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2023 9:30AM

    @craig44 said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

    ..
    It definitely bothered me.

    2011 was the worst loss for me, in terms of SBs.

    Simultaneously torn between Welker should have caught it and knowing Brady threw it to the wrong side. Imagine how Welker felt/feels. And it sucks to complain about him because, more than any guy I have probably seen on the Pats, he had complete disregard for his own safety. He went across the middle with complete recklessness.

    for me, 11 hurts, because with that one play they put the game away.

    But 07 KILLED me. As in, I had to go away from football for a few months. didnt follow the draft, nothing. I did pick back up during the preseason. But man that one hurt. bad. They were so close to being considered the greatest team to play. And from such a luck/fluke play. Then Brady ALMOST hit Moss on the long bomb that would have won the game in the last seconds. Just a terrible terrible game. I still havent watched the entire game again. I have rewatched all the other ones.

    It bothered me big time in terms of a crushing defeat but the 2011 game just literally pissed me off so much I really thought about walking g away from the Pats, I was insanely angry about it.

    I remember going outside of this bar we were watching at and I had my Brady jersey on and some girl walked by and yelled at me "They ate going to lose" and laughed, I bit my tongue even though I wanted to say the rudest thing I could think of.

    I was drunk and infuriated so much I didn't even want a ride home so I walked.

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    TabeTabe Posts: 5,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't > @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @perkdog said:

    @stevek said:
    I once sobbed like that when at the poker table, > @galaxy27 said:
    in all seriousness, it shows that the kid cares. which i have mad respect for.

    nothing bugs me more than to see players yucking it up with the opposition after they just got trounced.

    10000000%

    I'm still annoyed at Gronk and Matt Light from when they showed them onstage at a club dancing and partying right after they lost the 2011 Super Bowl to the hated Giants

    ...
    I know that we've talked about this before. The 2011 SB loss was the worst one.

    In retrospect, I guess Light knew he was retiring (iirc). And the party was pre-planned.

    I understand and know that often the fans care more than the players. In some moments.

    At the end of a regular season game, sometimes fans have to get back to reality while these guys go home to their mansions, etc.

    On a forum such as this, it's hard to navigate a thread such as this one and really nail down the right adages.

    Yes, it's ok to cry. Of course.

    Yes, it's ok for someone to say that jumping into Mom's arms in the stands was sort of awkward and unexpected.

    Both can be true.

    Agreed about the crying

    We have spoke about the after party, I know your angle is the more proper thought process but it still bothers me lol

    ..
    It definitely bothered me.

    2011 was the worst loss for me, in terms of SBs.

    Simultaneously torn between Welker should have caught it and knowing Brady threw it to the wrong side. Imagine how Welker felt/feels. And it sucks to complain about him because, more than any guy I have probably seen on the Pats, he had complete disregard for his own safety. He went across the middle with complete recklessness.

    I always said it was just as much Bradys fault but Welker needed to make that catch regardless

    I'd say 70/30 Brady's fault. Bad throw, very tough catch. But it needed to be caught.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The catch definitely needed to be made. And I bet that Wes would say he makes that catch 95 times out of 100

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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