What a fantastic write-up! You made the trip, made it into a holiday, and generously shared all the extra details. I think I'll add this show to my wishlist moving forward.
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Someone thought it would be a good idea to actually pay Steve Forbes to attend a private reception, at least partially funded by public admission fees when the public was not welcome at the reception, and to sell books, when he has nothing to do with numismatics. Other than advocating for a gold standard, because that served the country so well in the 1930s. Not to mention that a 76 year old son of a financial publishing magnate needing to travel to Nashville, at this stage of his life, to collect an appearance fee from coin dealers and members of the public, while selling books, probably isn't qualified to express an opinion worth paying to hear on anything.
@NJCoin while I agree with what you’ve said, the fact that the attendees were paying this rich has-been a speaking fee to peddle books and his bizarre theories was pretty obvious from the outset. So much so that I joked about it but always assumed everyone knew without me saying it.
The fees were paid by both the public and the attending dealers because it was a show expense.
That show promoters would even think such a clown was a good idea for a coin show is in itself very telling about said promoters.
Clearly this clown was more important than working lamps and proper dealer setups.
Two facts:
1) The lamps and setups issues were screwups by the Music City Center, not Adkins or Ellsworth.
2) Forbes was not “selling books”, per se. All the books were already owned by the IMEX show.
I'm actually very glad you are here, since I didn't want to have to get an account "there" just to communicate with you.
I greatly appreciate all the thoughts and insider perspective you shared about the show. Shocked and amazed that you would be so honest and forthcoming, but greatly appreciative.
Just curious -- how on earth would a brand new coin show come to own Steve Forbes books? Sounds like compensation to me. Also sounds like he was there as part of a deal to sell books. What am I missing?
I'm far from an expert in the field, but my understanding is that this is typical of how books get sold:
Barnes & Noble buys books. Publishers pay authors, and then sell books to Barnes & Noble. Authors go on tours to sell books, at Barnes & Nobles, all over the country. The authors get paid when they write the books. The publishers get paid when Barnes & Noble sells them.
The authors don't get paid again to go to a Barnes & Noble to help sell the books. Steve Forbes didn't vanity publish the book himself, did he? If not, why on earth is IMEX using coin show money to buy Steve Forbes books from a publisher, and then paying him to help sell them? Is IMEX also a book retailer?
Someone thought it would be a good idea to actually pay Steve Forbes to attend a private reception, at least partially funded by public admission fees when the public was not welcome at the reception, and to sell books, when he has nothing to do with numismatics. Other than advocating for a gold standard, because that served the country so well in the 1930s. Not to mention that a 76 year old son of a financial publishing magnate needing to travel to Nashville, at this stage of his life, to collect an appearance fee from coin dealers and members of the public, while selling books, probably isn't qualified to express an opinion worth paying to hear on anything.
@NJCoin while I agree with what you’ve said, the fact that the attendees were paying this rich has-been a speaking fee to peddle books and his bizarre theories was pretty obvious from the outset. So much so that I joked about it but always assumed everyone knew without me saying it.
The fees were paid by both the public and the attending dealers because it was a show expense.
That show promoters would even think such a clown was a good idea for a coin show is in itself very telling about said promoters.
Clearly this clown was more important than working lamps and proper dealer setups.
Two facts:
1) The lamps and setups issues were screwups by the Music City Center, not Adkins or Ellsworth.
2) Forbes was not “selling books”, per se. All the books were already owned by the IMEX show.
I'm actually very glad you are here, since I didn't want to have to get an account "there" just to communicate with you.
I greatly appreciate all the thoughts and insider perspective you shared about the show. Shocked and amazed that you would be so honest and forthcoming, but greatly appreciative.
Just curious -- how on earth would a brand new coin show come to own Steve Forbes books? Sounds like compensation to me. Also sounds like he was there as part of a deal to sell books. What am I missing?
I'm far from an expert in the field, but my understanding is that this is typical of how books get sold:
Barnes & Noble buys books. Publishers pay authors, and then sell books to Barnes & Noble. Authors go on tours to sell books, at Barnes & Nobles, all over the country. The authors get paid when they write the books. The publishers get paid when Barnes & Noble sells them.
The authors don't get paid again to go to a Barnes & Noble to help sell the books. Steve Forbes didn't vanity publish the book himself, did he? If not, why on earth is IMEX using coin show money to buy Steve Forbes books from a publisher, and then paying him to help sell them? Is IMEX also a book retailer?
I am very curious to see the answer and I have appreciated the different viewpoints...but this is NOT the thread for it. @NJCoin could you please move this to a different thread to not hijack Charmy's widely enjoyed show reports?
Someone thought it would be a good idea to actually pay Steve Forbes to attend a private reception, at least partially funded by public admission fees when the public was not welcome at the reception, and to sell books, when he has nothing to do with numismatics. Other than advocating for a gold standard, because that served the country so well in the 1930s. Not to mention that a 76 year old son of a financial publishing magnate needing to travel to Nashville, at this stage of his life, to collect an appearance fee from coin dealers and members of the public, while selling books, probably isn't qualified to express an opinion worth paying to hear on anything.
@NJCoin while I agree with what you’ve said, the fact that the attendees were paying this rich has-been a speaking fee to peddle books and his bizarre theories was pretty obvious from the outset. So much so that I joked about it but always assumed everyone knew without me saying it.
The fees were paid by both the public and the attending dealers because it was a show expense.
That show promoters would even think such a clown was a good idea for a coin show is in itself very telling about said promoters.
Clearly this clown was more important than working lamps and proper dealer setups.
Two facts:
1) The lamps and setups issues were screwups by the Music City Center, not Adkins or Ellsworth.
2) Forbes was not “selling books”, per se. All the books were already owned by the IMEX show.
I'm actually very glad you are here, since I didn't want to have to get an account "there" just to communicate with you.
I greatly appreciate all the thoughts and insider perspective you shared about the show. Shocked and amazed that you would be so honest and forthcoming, but greatly appreciative.
Just curious -- how on earth would a brand new coin show come to own Steve Forbes books? Sounds like compensation to me. Also sounds like he was there as part of a deal to sell books. What am I missing?
I'm far from an expert in the field, but my understanding is that this is typical of how books get sold:
Barnes & Noble buys books. Publishers pay authors, and then sell books to Barnes & Noble. Authors go on tours to sell books, at Barnes & Nobles, all over the country. The authors get paid when they write the books. The publishers get paid when Barnes & Noble sells them.
The authors don't get paid again to go to a Barnes & Noble to help sell the books. Steve Forbes didn't vanity publish the book himself, did he? If not, why on earth is IMEX using coin show money to buy Steve Forbes books from a publisher, and then paying him to help sell them? Is IMEX also a book retailer?
I am very curious to see the answer and I have appreciated the different viewpoints...but this is NOT the thread for it. @NJCoin could you please move this to a different thread to not hijack Charmy's widely enjoyed show reports?
No problem, as I absolutely did not mean to hijack, and actually always enjoy her reports. I was just responding to someone else's comment and, honestly, thought the actual report and the responses to it had run their course after a full page and 3 days.
I honestly meant no offense to anyone, especially @ThePennyLady. My comments can just as easily go on any of the IMEX threads, if the consensus is that that's where they belong.
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What a fantastic write-up! You made the trip, made it into a holiday, and generously shared all the extra details. I think I'll add this show to my wishlist moving forward.
Custom album maker and numismatic photographer.
Need a personalized album made? Design it on the website below and I'll build it for you.
https://www.donahuenumismatics.com/.
I'm actually very glad you are here, since I didn't want to have to get an account "there" just to communicate with you.
I greatly appreciate all the thoughts and insider perspective you shared about the show. Shocked and amazed that you would be so honest and forthcoming, but greatly appreciative.
Just curious -- how on earth would a brand new coin show come to own Steve Forbes books? Sounds like compensation to me. Also sounds like he was there as part of a deal to sell books. What am I missing?
I'm far from an expert in the field, but my understanding is that this is typical of how books get sold:
Barnes & Noble buys books. Publishers pay authors, and then sell books to Barnes & Noble. Authors go on tours to sell books, at Barnes & Nobles, all over the country. The authors get paid when they write the books. The publishers get paid when Barnes & Noble sells them.
The authors don't get paid again to go to a Barnes & Noble to help sell the books. Steve Forbes didn't vanity publish the book himself, did he? If not, why on earth is IMEX using coin show money to buy Steve Forbes books from a publisher, and then paying him to help sell them? Is IMEX also a book retailer?
I am very curious to see the answer and I have appreciated the different viewpoints...but this is NOT the thread for it. @NJCoin could you please move this to a different thread to not hijack Charmy's widely enjoyed show reports?
No problem, as I absolutely did not mean to hijack, and actually always enjoy her reports. I was just responding to someone else's comment and, honestly, thought the actual report and the responses to it had run their course after a full page and 3 days.
I honestly meant no offense to anyone, especially @ThePennyLady. My comments can just as easily go on any of the IMEX threads, if the consensus is that that's where they belong.
Charmy, you've outdone yourself this time. Looks like you had way to much fun in Nashville. By far the best report ever!
Sorry some members hijacked this thread. Don't let it discourage you from continuing your reporting.
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