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Shavers vs Lyle

doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

This is why it is called the Golden age of boxing, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, two of the hardest punchers the sport has ever known in a brutal shootout. Lyle in the Red trunks, Shavers in the Blue, both guys had to be pissing up blood after this one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQfrBb8S_Y0

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have to admit, I was always a big fan of "Shavers"

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Earnie Shavers, the hardest puncher in boxing history, one bad dude. His power was truly frightening, and he was always a threat in any fight because of it.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    'Who did Muhammad Ali say was the hardest puncher?
    Earnie Shavers
    Earnie Shavers is the man Ali has called the strongest puncher he ever faced. Ali beat him by unanimous decision, with the judges scoring 9-6 twice and 9-5 once. Shavers kept coming hard for Ali through the late rounds, wining 13 and 14 on most cards.'

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    GroceryRackPackGroceryRackPack Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow...Earnie Shavers I kinda remember that name from my younger days... :)

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    coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2023 2:11AM

    Harder puncher than Foreman?

    :D

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2023 5:26AM

    When judging a puncher, you have to go by the testimony of the people that were actually hit by the punches. Ali fought both Foreman and Shavers, he said Shavers hit harder, watch Ali vs Shavers, it's a hard fight to watch because Ali took some bombs from Shavers in that fight, a lot of people actually blame Shavers for contributing to most of Ali's mental damage. Leroy Caldwell fought Foreman, Lyle, Cleveland Williams, and Earnie Shavers, he was asked who hit him the hardest.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NqIsIawu-ns

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heck, just ask Ron Lyle himself.

    Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time, it wasn't funny."

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love when DD tells boxing stories! keep them coming.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have heard of Shavers, but i dont know a lot. maybe its research time!

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is important to remember, these are the testimonies of the guys who actually felt the power, not boxing fans giving their opinion. Earnie Shavers wasn't that great of a boxer, and he had a shaky chin, he lost quite a few, but he always had a chance in any fight because of his power. It's not enough to have power, you have to be able to land it effectively, hit a moving target. If you could take Shavers power, then you could beat him, but you were definately going to suffer for it, and remember it forever. I've never seen Ali struggle to take punches like he did with Shavers, he ate some bombs, you could see the suffering on his face, it was a hard fight to watch knowing the damage it did to Ali.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just did a tiny little bit of research into Shavers. He actually fought in 1995!! twice. won one and lost one. he was 51 years old.

    I looked into his fight with Ali. It sounds like the Champ was on shaky legs according to his corner when going into the final round. he rallied and lasted.

    the fight took place on my second day here on planet Earth!!

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    just did a tiny little bit of research into Shavers. He actually fought in 1995!! twice. won one and lost one. he was 51 years old.

    I looked into his fight with Ali. It sounds like the Champ was on shaky legs according to his corner when going into the final round. he rallied and lasted.

    the fight took place on my second day here on planet Earth!!

    Ali was tough as nails, no doubt about it, he had to walk through the gates of hell to beat Shavers, as did Larry Holmes, but more on that later...

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon in your opinion, what made Shavers such a hard puncher? And notice I don't ask such an effective puncher, or a knockout artist, because as you alluded to, he was not considered to be a very skilled boxer.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2023 8:57AM

    @thisistheshow said:
    @doubledragon in your opinion, what made Shavers such a hard puncher? And notice I don't ask such an effective puncher, or a knockout artist, because as you alluded to, he was not considered to be a very skilled boxer.

    He was naturally strong, he was flooring guys the first time he walked into a gym to train, but he swung for the fences with every punch he threw, he said as much, he also said he used to gas out in five or six rounds because he put so much energy into each punch. On top of that, he trained by lifting barrels of hay and chopping trees with an axe, he credited that with giving him a lot more strength.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Joe Frazier was asked once about fighting Shavers and he said, “I probably would have beaten him, but I wouldn’t have been able to deal with the pain on the way to winning.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    @doubledragon in your opinion, what made Shavers such a hard puncher? And notice I don't ask such an effective puncher, or a knockout artist, because as you alluded to, he was not considered to be a very skilled boxer.

    He was naturally strong, he was flooring guys the first time he walked into a gym to train, but he swung for the fences with every punch he threw, he said as much, he also said he used to gas out in five or six rounds because he put so much energy into each punch. On top of that, he trained by lifting barrels of hay and chopping trees with an axe, he credited that with giving him a lot more strength.

    my goodness. look at the forearms on that man

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2023 9:51AM

    Like I said earlier, Larry Holmes fought Earnie Shavers twice, beat him both times, but Holmes had to walk through fire both times. The first fight was very brutal, Holmes ate some serious bombs, and in the second fight Shavers caught Holmes with a shot that sounded like he hit him with a baseball bat, I still can't believe Holmes got up from it and was able to TKO Shavers four rounds later, listen to the thud on this shot, it's the greatest recovery in boxing history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N9y7p6YIgmY&pp=ygUaU2hhdmVycyBrbm9ja3MgZG93biBob2xtZXM%3D

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You can actually here the thud from the punch better in this Twitter video. Prime Larry Holmes was one tough son of a gun, that punch would have probably killed me.

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