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2023 Peace $ Strikethru?

Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 27, 2023 11:26AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I submitted this as a strike-through, but it appears PCGS disagrees. See the area on the reverse around the L in Dollar on the TrueView below. What say you?

If it is damage, I certainly would have expected a lower grade than PR69.

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  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2023 11:41AM

    @Project Numismatics said:
    I submitted this as a strike-through, but it appears PCGS disagrees. See the area on the reverse around the L in Dollar on the TrueView below. What say you?

    If it is damage, I certainly would have expected a lower grade than PR69.

    I’m not knowledgeable on these enough to comment if that is a strike through or not on these, but I guess I’ve only seen grades of 69 or 70 on this issue. Curious, has anyone seen one of these in a holder less than 69 or even in a UNC details holder? I’m wondering if 69 is as low as these go. (I did not check pop report which of course I should have).

    Just because I have no knowledge of how these are collected in general, would there be a premium for a strike through on this coin? Or would it be looked at as a detriment based on how these are collected (I’m assuming the popular collectability would be for one perfect example).

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  • ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 174 ✭✭✭


    Planchet flaw IMO

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Quality control at the San Francisco Mint never came back to work after COVID!!

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I might go with struck-thru, but did you pay for the error tier?

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2023 12:59PM

    Reminds me of this. Looks like the screwdriver slipped during the packaging process.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, that is a strike thru. Did you pay the mint error fee?

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  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, that is a strike thru. Did you pay the mint error fee?

    Yes - I submitted under Economy Mint Errors.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd call or email them. If they graded it PR69 then they certainly didn't classify it as damage.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool struck thru error

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ELVIS1 said:

    Planchet flaw IMO

    Looks to me the same.

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  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg - any chance you’d share your thoughts?

    I did email PCGS today - will report back if I hear anything.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the others that say it looks like a struck through
    Hard to tell exactly struck through what, but it appears it could be through some type of cloth
    Doesn’t appear to be struck through Grease only

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the planchet was struck and then laser etched then there would be discernible laser etching on struck thru portions...which there isn't.

    Looks like graders got it right.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2023 8:07AM

    @fathom the coin isn't struck and then laser etched. The dies are lasered to impart the frosty devices.

    Its a minor struck thru.

    Edit to fix an incorrect autocorrect.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @fathom the coin isn't struck and then laser etched. The dies are lasered to impart the frosty devices.

    Its a minor struck thru.

    Edit to fix an incorrect autocorrect.

    I stand corrected. Good to know thank you.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom you're welcome

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  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I emailed on 10/30 and finally received a response today. Aside from the fact that a week is entirely too long to respond to a customer, I find this response quite poor.

    Hello,

    Thank you for contacting PCGS Customer Service.

    I understand it can be upsetting that your item did not receive the result you were hoping for, and I do apologize.

    I would like to take this opportunity to shed some light on our services that may help you better understand your results. Currently, our graders do not leave notes as to how they came to a particular determination, so I hope the following information can help provide you with some answers:

    The significance of a mint error can be judged on the specific mint that produced it and the tolerances that mint has for manufacturing defects. This is called “mint tolerance,” This means that while some coins seem to have a “mint error,” the coin may only be recognized as a mint error if it is beyond the mint tolerances. For example, minor die rotations can be within the mint tolerance for errors.

    Some collectors may also confuse variety and mint error.

    A Variety is a coin with unique characteristics that are repeated exactly, or progressively, among multiple coin strikings. A variety will have the same date and basic design as another coin but with slight differences.

    A Mint Error is an error that occurs during the striking process. Some errors may be similar, but each error is unique to the strike.

    The key point to remember is that the graders reserve the right, based on the strengths or weaknesses of the coin's attributes, the condition of the coin, and overall eye appeal, to make a judgment call on the result of a coin.

    If you would like to resubmit your coins for reconsideration or regrade, which are paid services - https://www.pcgs.com/reconsideration or https://www.pcgs.com/services/regrade - please let me know, and I can certainly assist you!

    Thank you,

    Vanessa

    PCGS Customer Care Representative

  • 3stars3stars Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cut and paste response, doubt they did anything else.

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let me translate Vanessa’s word salad: submit to NGC and get the coin properly attributed with the mint error.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe they thought it was too small of a struck-thru to warrant the designation.

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