Before you say a stabbed coin "must be AT" , remember that....
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Before you say a stabbed coin "must be AT" , remember that....
The graders at each of the major TPGs have seen toned and untoned coins from more series and among more varied dates than ANYONE here (unless you're a TPG grader yourself LOL). Which means they see how coins tone, not only in general but by series and even date (and oh yes different series and even different dates within a series do tone differently). Are they wrong sometimes? Of course. Maybe even a lot? Well they've graded millions upon millions of pieces. Even a tiny percentage of that can be considered "a lot". But just know it's a lot less than some people here think. Especially among those who've seen a lot less coins......
Philately will get you nowhere....
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Lisot video series inside Newman Numismatic Portal has a video or two on this topic.
Of course you have to find it... but remember it being worth the search.
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This is all true and a very good thing to remember in general. It is also true though that there are clear differences in the way the two TPGs have approached some series and forms of toning. For example, PCGS has straightgraded a lot of toned silver eagles and PCI-toned coins that NGC would call AT.
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Once you stab a coin does it matter if it's AT or NT?
I'm just an outsider looking in but from where I sit, it just seems there isn't an industry standard. It's subjective, a word we have learned to live with in this hobby................or profession.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I’ve heard that said the other way around also.
- Bob -
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Subjective variables do not easily lend themselves to objective "standards".
I bought a couple Peace dollars that were artificially toned and designated as such on the PCGS holders. They were added to my mother's Christmas decorations as reminders of her youth.. We buried her August 4 on her 99 birthday. I retrieved them and I now have another memory of my mother.
No condolences needed, She lived a long and fruitful life,
That's the thing...what kind of "standard" can you have? Some kind of limit on what's "too colorful"? It's more than just that. Someone here mentioned Peace Dollars - and that makes for an excellent example. There are mid 80's O Morgan's that remind us of Pink Floyd records that would be called NT all day, but put any where near those colors on a Peace Dollar and very few of us would argue with a DEEEEEEETAAAAAAILS label on those.
I know. I don't think there's any easy answer. That's why I usually avoid the subject. I'm not one of those monster toner kind of guys. I guess we all like what we like.
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Did you AccidenTally stab the coin or was it more N-Tended? We must determine intent first.
Any key words to find it? Am curious to watch it but have not been successful.
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If the coin is already stabbed then it is probably just blood and I'm not certain if they would consider that AT or NT.
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If that statement means, sometimes this reaction comes to mind..."What ? ...NO WAY that's not possible". Then I agree.
Me ? Then I start the equal and opposite action addressing the "What if factor"
Case in point will show sometimes it's WAY possible.
Lets start by calling the coin on the left, toned ,for now. ("What ? ...NO WAY that's possible")
So... Most of us have a special place in our heart for "Snoopy" of the Peanuts cartoon. And most of us remember what he looks like. If not ?
Use your knowledge of shapes.
Two coins, O O. Two different dates. which are not available in this post, only shapes will be needed in this game.
Coin on the right is the MVP of this game. I was going to save it for later.
Please look at each coin and the way they NT...ed. and leave me a ,what's going on here, comment.
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If it means "And that's all I have to say about that". Well, the word , grumpy comes to mind and it's showing, me, someone's not interested in the variables.
I hope this explains a way of how NT or AT happen. I did it my way.
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Those "naturally" corroded.
Don't forget, slabs are air-resistant but they're not airtight. The coin doctors are perfectly capable of toning a coin inside a slab after its been graded. So it's entirely possible for a coin to be genuine, and a slab to be genuine, but the toning to be fake.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
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We all know that the slabbing of AT coins happens too often, it is obviously very problematic because it is very subjective, but we all know this. I sometimes wish there was a scientific device that could remove AT coins from being slabbed, but that is just a pipe dream. All I do know is that I trust CAC above all others in determining if a coin is AT or not and while I realize mistakes are made I believe they seem to be the must conservative and consistent and rely on their discernment for such decisions. I have learned from CAC and from being here reading all the related threads to become pretty good at determining AT versus NT. I believe there are no AT coins in my collection so I can rest easy. And tonight I am negotiating on a very pretty highly toned example and feel confident that it is NT with 99% degree certainty which is fine with me.