Comparing old 6 number ANACS grades to current standards
AlanSki
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Original ANACS MS63, which I believe was low and on the conservative side.
More recent NGC MS65 which is where it should be.
While these aren’t necessarily the norm (these were locked up since the original grading), there were at least 2 with 3 grade increases.
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I wonder how many here will be quick to tell you that it is now over graded because of being in NGC plastic.
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I find ANACS grading to be conservatively low, at least recently. I would just crack the coin out and submit to PCGS.
I have had considerable good fortune crossing old ANACS soap bar holders at current grade and some +1.
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I’ve had some go up some go down in grade. The alphanumeric holders are worth a look.
I leave them right where they are. Love the small holders and don't care what the number on the holder is..
I have had great luck with the ones I have chosen for cross or crack. That does not mean all I have now or have had in the past.
5/6 Morgan commons from ANACS64 to PCGS65
1c 14-D ANACS45 to PCGS45
1c S-VDB ANACS64RD to PCGS64RD
1c 22 'No D' Strong Rev. ANACS40 to PCGS40
50c. '45 Walker ANACS64 to PCGS65
Those were my best of note. All were Alphanumeric.
Drunner
I have a toned set I’m working on of a single coin in each denomination/design change (that I can afford). Those stay in the soapboxes.
Right there you have three sets of standards
The XX9999 labels while ANACS was owned by ANA (blue) - strict technical grading according to the ANA Grading Standards.
The XX9999 labels after the sale to Amos Press (Green) - transition to market grading
The 999999 labels (after XX9999, still Amos Press - market grading
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Are they really "standards" if they constantly change?
I believe you may have it wrong. The 6 digit label seems very conservative, in fact as conservative or more so than the Lettered holder. Now the 7 digit holder is imho not conservative in the least. But that's just my opinion on the matter.
Someone who is satisfied. Refreshing.
I actually had a coin graded by ANACS decades ago as MS-63. I resubmitted it in recent years, not to PCGS or NGC, but to ANACS again. It came back MS-66. A 1982 no P dime.
I had a Pan-Pac G$1 in an AU58 holder that PCGS crossed to MS62; there are honest and rigorous standards that have been followed by all the services. I had an old Anacs MS62 key date Peace dollar that was darkly toned and dipped out nicely and upgraded to MS63.
I bought about 75 Morgans in the old soap holders. They were widely available & always cheaper than PCGS/NGC coins on EBAY 15 - 20 years ago. From what I purchased, the 6 digit holders appeared as conservative as the alpha-numerics. Agree the 7 digit holders were loosely graded and doubt 10% would cross, most would down-grade. Only bought 1 blue holder and no yellow holders when they came out.
I was just thinking the same thing. Let them take all the grades they want, we'll keep these soap bars.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Yeah, a one coin example. That really makes the case.
So how long is this obsession going to continue, that grading has changed??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Well, maybe I'm not as careless about numbers as i sound...
I found this one a few years ago, so deep in Julian's ebay listings that it wasn't showing up in regular searches anymore 😂
Pics so bad I couldn't even tell if it was an ANA holder, but I could tell that it was a 106, which was what I had been searching high and low for...
As is typical, the price was quite extravagant for an XF 1812 bust half, but I called Julian the next day and got it for what I was willing to pay for the late die state...It wasn't until it arrived that I actually saw what I had...
crazy gorgeous and AU all day!
I showed 1 example. I could go though an old phone and pull out my entire submission with before and after photos. However, I don’t want to clog a post with a photo dump, so let me find a random selection.
Oh, I was just getting ready to say.........Have you seen his shop? I don't know how he can find anything in there!
Nice pick up! That coin really jumps out at you.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Some images are trash as I had to do screenshots from some of my videos.
D/S Anacs was either this or the other D/D/D/S
@Maywood
I’d say my sampling would suggest, to me at least, that yes, grading standards have changed.
I’ll reserve this for the walkers.
@AlanSki said: I could go though an old phone and pull out my entire submission with before and after photos.
Apparently you missed my point so I'll say it another way. PCGS/NGC combined have probably graded 70 million+ coins so a few examples prove nothing to me. What I find ridiculous is that there are collectors, maybe you're one of them, who seem to be obsessed with showing that PCGS/NGC are inconsistent, so they look for those "mistakes" to post them here in hopes of what?? Embarrassing the TPG's or showing that they can't grade??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Lol. Where did I say anything about PCGS/NGC/ANACS being inconsistent? It’s you who missed the entire point because you seem angry and have your mind made up already about a topic no one here was even speaking on except you. What was stated was standard of grading have changed through the years. You or anyone else can’t deny it. Graders can’t deny it. 20-30 years ago, getting a MS67 was a true accomplishment. Go check the pop reports from 30 years ago. How many MS 68 Morgan’s exists then vs now? If standards are still as consistent now as they were then, explain why it’s no longer an accomplishment to get a MS67 when looking at todays pop reports? I don’t want to hear the excuse that pop reports are flawed because of crack outs. Consistency throughout the years should remain the same with your ideology.
Thanks!
I've never been to his shop but he used to post here daily and was always great to message with.
I don't know what his current situation is, but it's no longer easy to find anything exciting in his ebay offerings (putting it nicely..😂)
Maybe he has the good stuff at the shop?
I've only bought 4 coins from him over the years, all off ebay, all upgrades and spectacular.
With the added bonus that you feel like you just plucked a gem out of a junk box 🤯
Oh, okay. Well, if you ever saw his shop you'll know why his eBay offerings/listings are the way they are. He's a good guy though.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I’ve always imagined him to be the Jack Beymers of the east coast…
Julian’s shop sounds just like Jacks.
@AlanSki said: What was stated was standard of grading have changed through the years. You or anyone else can’t deny it.
I just don't agree with that statement.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood You are entitled to your opinion, but the old soapbars were graded more conservatively than coins are today. I'm not knocking any grading service or anybodys opinions it is just a well known fact.
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That’s fantastic. Opinions are like ( insert common term for where bowels excrete), everyone has one and even yours could be wrong.