Hi all. Do you think PCGS got this wrong ? I do. I sent this 2017 D Penny for grading with an erro

Bear007

I believe this Penny is a Red coin not a Brown coin. Maybe cause of some spots a Red Brown. But not a Brown. Also I believe it's higher than a AU 58. I being it to be at least a MS 63 to MS 65. Plus the big thing . They didn't give it an error designation, which I sent it in for also. The obverse of this coin has either a piece of screen or fabric ? Something imprinted into the whole obverse when coin was pressed. It's so damm obvious. Please take a look and tell me what you think. Please.

FredWeinberg

There is no error on that coin-
What you see is environmental “staining“ – and the coin is AU

coinbuf

I think you wasted your money on an obviously stained circulated coin worth its face value, PCGS got it right.

Bear007

Did you expand the picture and see the error ? That's the only reason I even considered to send it. The criss cross pattern ?

MFeld

I believe that the reason the coin was labeled “Brown”, rather than “Red/Brown” or “Red”, was because it graded less than 60. As in the case of copper coins, “Brown” is the default color designation for coins graded below 60.

messydesk

I think you should seek advice about which coins to submit for grading and about what an error is. I agree with Fred's assessment above, not that he needs my validation.

FredWeinberg

Yes, I see what you're referring to - it's part of the 'stain' or whatever
environmentally interacted with the surfaces of the coin when it was
already in circulation.

Please don't waste your money submitting it to any authentication/grading
service - it's not what you think it might be, and it's just worth face value only.

AUandAG

If you didn't know, Mr. FredWeinberg is a retired PCGS error grader. He knows. You can trust him on errors.

bob
vegas baby!

AUandAG

Look at that pattern, or lack thereof. There is no pattern to those lines, they are random. Cloth or fabric of any kind would never have a random pattern. Instantly you then think what caused the lines, and staining or environmental damage comes to mind.
bob
vegas baby!

alaura22

Better to post it here before you send it off to get opinions

ctf_error_coins

Fred got it right.

The coin is not an error coin. It is stained.

MsMorrisine

let's say it is a ms63rd. value? 1 cent.

you can see a mark into the coin o his shoulder. that is contrasted with the criss-cross pattern that is only on the surface of the coin. stained.

mark_dak

Welcome,

Your grading fee is a cheap "tuition" in coin collecting. As you have heard from some pretty serious coin experts, don't take any of the responses personally. Many of us have spent a higher tuition than a single grading fee.

I'm quite sure PCGS does make mistakes from time to time but for the most part they do generally get things right. Good luck and don't let this deter you from enjoying the hobby in the future.

Mark

Coinscratch

Congratulations! You have the Top Pop 2017 D BN Lincoln Cent. In fact yours is the only one, 1/0.
Cool looking toning too.

djm

@MsMorrisine said:
let's say it is a ms63rd. value? 1 cent.

you can see a mark into the coin o his shoulder. that is contrasted with the criss-cross pattern that is only on the surface of the coin. stained.

Actually, the value is less than 1 cent, because would have to crack it out of the holder to get 1 cent.

JimTyler

Maybe one cent now but stash it for 1000 years and you might be surprised of its value.

messydesk

@djm said:

@MsMorrisine said:
let's say it is a ms63rd. value? 1 cent.

you can see a mark into the coin o his shoulder. that is contrasted with the criss-cross pattern that is only on the surface of the coin. stained.

Actually, the value is less than 1 cent, because would have to crack it out of the holder to get 1 cent.

Not so sure. Someone will need a Lincoln Shield cent in 58 for their Everyman type set.