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Red Flags on this 1909-S VDB Listing- your thoughts? And relisted...

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 19, 2023 10:27AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Seller has 100% positive feedback rating and had this 1909-S VDB listed; bidding was brisk and at $470 with 6 days left.

Seller states authenticity guaranteed; sending to a TPG "YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK"...

I compared the MM with the current accepted genuine positions:

And the "VDB"; I know of only one correct version of this:

Resolution of the reverse image isn't great but the "N" looks like the "sharp N", not the correct "shallow N":

Comments

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with Steven59, mintmark would keep me far away from this coin.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,624 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A hard pass for me.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bad.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The damage would keep me away to start with, but it also looks bogus to me.

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  • May0r0fwheatt0wnMay0r0fwheatt0wn Posts: 20 ✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2023 11:16AM

    The coin all together looks off. Looks brass like. V.D.B also looks different. Here's
    one I sold

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2023 11:25AM

    Pass (this should have been slabbed, seller would have better luck selling) jmo

  • JimWJimW Posts: 573 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an obvious fake to me.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I can say is that the mintmark is in the correct location for a die #3 specimen.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard pass... even before looking at the MM placement, VDB, and shallow vs deep N on the reverse, this coin has been harshly "worked". Look at the lines on the reverse around ONE CENT. This is the first red flag... on a coin that's really not all that rare yet heavily counterfeited, I'd be looking for one that's already certified by PCGS or NGC...

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  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It defies rational analysis that anyone would pay that kind of money for a raw coin based on photographs on the internet.

    Such a coin is worth soooooooo much more certified by a reputable TPG than raw (if real) that there's only one reason to sell it raw--something's rotten and the seller knows it.

  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The focus is too soft to tell definitively but the MM looks bad from what I see.


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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a coin to buy raw.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seller relisted with more images; the "VDB" looks off to my eyes regardless...

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