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I need opinions on this 1909 Cent. I don't collect Indians but found this one cheap at a LCS. I was wondering if it was worth sending in to our hosts. It is very shiny, not sure if it has been cleaned or not. So I guess the questions that I need answered are 1) do you think it has been cleaned? and 2) do you think it would grade as Mint State?

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not a copper collector so my opinion isn't going to be worth a lot but this one just looks off to me. I feel like it's been cleaned in one manner or another. So my non-copper collector opinion would be AU details, surfaces altered.

  • PClark99PClark99 Posts: 57 ✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2023 12:18PM

    I agree with TurtleCat, that coin looks off but maybe its the lighting of the photo. What does it weigh?

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It could be your lighting, but that does not look like original color. If the image is at all accurate with respect to the coin in-hand then the coin is a problem coin that will not straight grade and is not worth the cost of certification.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Appears cleaned from those images.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2023 1:48PM

    The date looks wrong. Suspected counterfeit?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    The date looks wrong. Suspected counterfeit?

    The coin looks genuine, but the color, unnatural. And I agree with @TomB that it’s not worth the cost of certification.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned in my opinion but definitely great for an album.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that if you submit this coin you are almost certainly going to get it back in a details holder or bodybag, if the coin looks like the color in your photos it has been messed with.

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  • RLSnapperRLSnapper Posts: 579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin has been cleaned. Put it in an album .

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RLSnapper said:
    The coin has been cleaned. Put it in an album .

    Speaking of albums. . . The OP's Indian looks like it was the cover photo coin!

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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The color looks off to me, so I'm pretty sure it has been cleaned.

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OP, any chance for a photo in different lighting?
    I agree with most everyone else, but perhaps it’s just the photos?

  • PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 305 ✭✭✭

    I looks dead in those pictures. I agree we need to see how the light is reacting.

  • PumpkinheadPumpkinhead Posts: 55 ✭✭✭

    As others have noted, lighting can make all the difference. That being said, take a look at CoinFacts… This coin has a distinctly “non-copper” appearance…

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks counterfeit to me. :s

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,568 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just does not sit right with me.

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