In '07 I said I can't wait that long for 2024's Topps Heritage (1975)...I'm gonna settle for the set

Estil

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In 2007 I mentioned how I liked the idea of the black borders Topps did that year (like 1971) and thought it'd be neat if they did a colorful design for the regular Topps set like they did for 1975 and 1990. But when someone pointed out that there would be 1975 Heritage in 2024, I whined and pouted (lol) how I can't wait that long!!

Wow, just wow...how is it that we're already almost at the year/release of 2024 Topps Heritage? Where does the time go? How in the world is it that I was 27 then (and married for two years, one day when I made the above comment) and now all of a sudden I'm 43 (44 about the time 2024 Heritage comes out) and a widower for a little over two years?

Soooo, about what time will we get our first info on 2024 Topps Heritage? You guys think spring of next year is finally the time I take the Heritage plunge? NGL, the idea of getting a whole case (hobby of course) is VERY appealing (I've never in my entire 23+ years of card collecting opened a whole case of any kind so it'd be a first for me)...but maybe I should just go the easy boring route and just get a set with the cheap insert sets, maybe? I dunno...

brad31

Will be interesting to see what they do about Minis - will it be a separate product - will they have a mini in each pack - will it be a test issue that randomly ships instead of the regular cards? Will someone buy up case after case of them like Charles Conlon and hold them unopened for decades?

I am excited for the '75s as well. It is a great set - hope they do the MVPs again and instead of all-star cards just put the star on the card.

Sorry about all you have gone through in your personal life.

Estil

NGL, the idea of getting a whole case (hobby of course) is VERY appealing (I've never in my entire 23+ years of card collecting opened a whole case of any kind so it'd be a first for me)...but maybe I should just go the easy boring route and just get a set with the cheap insert sets, maybe? I dunno...

PS: I never did the minis, they just don't appeal to me at all, I prefer the nice big cards

olb31

I don't collect a ton of newer items, but I definitely like the Topps Heritage Sets. Not crazy about all the serial numbered cards 999, 699, 499, 275, 150, 100, 75, 50, 25, 5, 1. Seems to be overkill. I liked the atomic and refractor way. So you would have the base, a refractor numbered to 400 and then the atomic numbered to 100. I think that's enough.

BBBrkrr

The 1975 set is cool, but the 1976 is my jam. That's the one I'll dip into.

craig44

I can tell you one thing, time flies. It is hard for me to imagine 2007 was 16 years ago now. good grief.

Heritage 2024/1975 should be awesome!

Estil

@olb31 said:
I don't collect a ton of newer items, but I definitely like the Topps Heritage Sets. Not crazy about all the serial numbered cards 999, 699, 499, 275, 150, 100, 75, 50, 25, 5, 1. Seems to be overkill. I liked the atomic and refractor way. So you would have the base, a refractor numbered to 400 and then the atomic numbered to 100. I think that's enough.

Well obviously you can't realistically collect those kind of sets. I mean the most limited edition sets I have are the 1993 Finest Jumbo All-Stars (~1455) and 1994 Pinnacle Museum Collection (6500; I think mine is missing the five send-ins though) and 1995 Score Platinum (<4950 of each)

Estil

@BBBrkrr said:
The 1975 set is cool, but the 1976 is my jam. That's the one I'll dip into.

I like that one too...it's a nice colorful set in its own right...I wonder what sort of neat Bicentennial themed sorts of things they might do! And you know what would be really swell (hee hee)? If they did a bubble gum bubble tournament with the current players like they did on that one 1976 card!

FirstBeard

This set has so much potential to be one of the best heritage sets. I hope Fanatics does not blow it.

Estil

@FirstBeard said:
This set has so much potential to be one of the best heritage sets. I hope Fanatics does not blow it.

What was so special about Fanatics anyway? And why did they of all people get the exclusive MLB/MLBPA license? And why the heck are we now back to only one major card company like we had in 1956-80?

BBBrkrr

@Estil said:

@FirstBeard said:
This set has so much potential to be one of the best heritage sets. I hope Fanatics does not blow it.

What was so special about Fanatics anyway? And why did they of all people get the exclusive MLB/MLBPA license? And why the heck are we now back to only one major card company like we had in 1956-80?

I agree. Looking back at the QC for all Topps cards made in the 70s definitely makes me nervous about one company controlling almost everything.

BLUEJAYWAY

With all the interest for this issue I suspect initial prices will be quite high. Sometimes our enthusiasm is used against us resulting in higher initial prices.

brad31

I would not be surprised if Fanatics goes with a model of different priced boxes with different amounts of hits instead of a single hobby box.

Estil

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
With all the interest for this issue I suspect initial prices will be quite high. Sometimes our enthusiasm is used against us resulting in higher initial prices.

Oh that wouldn't be any good at all...I would've liked the idea of doing a hobby case (IF I start saving up nickels and dimes right now) and I figured if I ever open a whole case of anything it should be this one. It won't be out till April though so I guess I got plenty of time to think all this over...

BLUEJAYWAY

@Estil said:

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
With all the interest for this issue I suspect initial prices will be quite high. Sometimes our enthusiasm is used against us resulting in higher initial prices.

Oh that wouldn't be any good at all...I would've liked the idea of doing a hobby case (IF I start saving up nickels and dimes right now) and I figured if I ever open a whole case of anything it should be this one. It won't be out till April though so I guess I got plenty of time to think all this over...

Try a Go Fund Me. Just joking.

Estil

@BLUEJAYWAY said:

@Estil said:

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
With all the interest for this issue I suspect initial prices will be quite high. Sometimes our enthusiasm is used against us resulting in higher initial prices.

Oh that wouldn't be any good at all...I would've liked the idea of doing a hobby case (IF I start saving up nickels and dimes right now) and I figured if I ever open a whole case of anything it should be this one. It won't be out till April though so I guess I got plenty of time to think all this over...

Try a Go Fund Me. Just joking.

Yeah right...nobody GoFundsMe for something like that you silly goose... Though I do wonder about the pack/carton rips you see on YouTube...for ones like 1993 Topps Finest I sure hope they get enough views to get paid enough/sponsored enough (however that works) to cover some of it!!

BLUEJAYWAY

@Estil said:

@BLUEJAYWAY said:

@Estil said:

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
With all the interest for this issue I suspect initial prices will be quite high. Sometimes our enthusiasm is used against us resulting in higher initial prices.

Oh that wouldn't be any good at all...I would've liked the idea of doing a hobby case (IF I start saving up nickels and dimes right now) and I figured if I ever open a whole case of anything it should be this one. It won't be out till April though so I guess I got plenty of time to think all this over...

Try a Go Fund Me. Just joking.

Yeah right...nobody GoFundsMe for something like that you silly goose... Though I do wonder about the pack/carton rips you see on YouTube...for ones like 1993 Topps Finest I sure hope they get enough views to get paid enough/sponsored enough (however that works) to cover some of it!!

You could always consider splitting a case with someone.

Estil

@BLUEJAYWAY said:

You could always consider splitting a case with someone.

Naw on something like this it's either go all-in on a whole case (hobby of course) or take the easy way out like I normally would do and get the set. I remember reading in a Beckett back in the 90s that did an article on the 1975's and someone said "opening those packs was a lot of fun" Obviously one would be stupid and crazy to do that now (they're WAY too high and even I could afford the packs I'd keep them as collectibles to go with my set; I'm so happy I have the original sets going back to 1974; though I'm lacking a few as you can see on my WISHLIST below).

So yeah, I feel like if I ever opened a whole case in my entire card collecting career the 2024 Heritage hobby would be by far the best qualified. Anything else and I'd just as soon just get the set.

Estil

You know, I was just looking through my original 1975 set and I must say I think it's quite a nice one! I remember several years back someone was able to set me up with a nice starter set (maybe 400-500ish) with really nice cards and each one was in card savers! I also got the top 20-25 or so in PSA 7. Of course this was quite a few years ago but yeah I can't believe Heritage is already at the point where I actually was able to afford to get original sets! Like I said I'm still a bit short on 1974 (see wishlist below) and do have a bunch of 1973 PSA 7's (not the Schmidt obviously) but finding a really nice raw near set is quite tricky as I don't want to pay extra for raw cards I already have in PSA 7.

Though for now I'm focused on my new found stamp journey! It'll take quite some time but my ultimate goal is to first get all the 70s/80s/90s (I'm still tapped out for the moment from the 70s/80s commemoratives that I started with), then the surprisingly affordable 40s/50s/60s. Wow there is just so much to do on my collecting with so little money (SSDI only) but slow and steady wins the race does it not? And don't people tend to appreciate things more when it's harder to get?

Estil

So about what time will we get the announcement/advertisement as to when 2024 (1975) Heritage comes out? Heritage usually comes out around Aprilish right? Whether I do take the plunge and get a case or not I'm really excited to finally see what it'll look like! If I did take the plunge is it wisest to lock in a preorder as soon as they're being taken (to avoid price increases leading up to its release) and if so, where's the best dealer I should use?

BLUEJAYWAY

Cannot help you out with your questions, but for myself I will pick up a few boxes initially. Then wait until the dust settles. Then proceed from there. Few months after that you will be able to pick up singles reasonably priced toward a master set. Now inserts,SSPs etc. is another level of expense. I may keep my boxes unopened to see where the price is at some months down the road. If price is high enough I may just sell them.

Nathaniel1960

I’m just glad the 1973 issue is in the rear view mirror.

Estil

@Nathaniel1960 said:
I’m just glad the 1973 issue is in the rear view mirror.

What do you have against the 1973? I will say the photography in that year feels "different" and "distinctive" (for better or for worse).

And apparently with card #1 in the 1974 sometimes league records can still count/matter!

BBBrkrr

@Estil said:

@Nathaniel1960 said:
I’m just glad the 1973 issue is in the rear view mirror.

What do you have against the 1973? I will say the photography in that year feels "different" and "distinctive" (for better or for worse).

And apparently with card #1 in the 1974 sometimes league records can still count/matter!

The 73 set is awesome. It's weird, the photos often make no sense, some photos are out of focus but the action shots are real action.

I always loved the 74 set because it is the one I first tried to collect as a kid, but it is super-boring. Most of the photos are bad portraits (looking at you, Ferguson Jenkins) with a few nice action (Seaver and Fisk are cool). Otherwise super boring.

RonSportscards

He may be referring to the '73 design Heritage (2022) which was bad, not the original '73s.

BBBrkrr

And I agree. That 73 Heritage thing was awful.

I always like to take any chance I can to praise the original 73s. One of my all-time favorites.

Estil

@BBBrkrr said:
And I agree. That 73 Heritage thing was awful.

Not nearly as awful as that 1971 Topps Willie Mays reprint insert from 1997 Topps! As Bruce Willis would say in that Armageddon movie, they did a piss poor job putting this together:

Estil

So I was just thinking, what if hypothetically I did get a hobby case (no doubt at least some of that cost would have to be on credit), how easily could I sell to one of you guys any big pull I might get to hopefully get some of that money back? The thing is though I did some looking on Ebay and apparently even the low number inserts aren't really worth all that much because there's just so many different very low, even 1/1 inserts going around?

Of course I could easily swap out duplicates to get the remaining cards (most likely missing SP's) I needed with you guys right?

DBesse27

@Estil said:

@FirstBeard said:
This set has so much potential to be one of the best heritage sets. I hope Fanatics does not blow it.

What was so special about Fanatics anyway? And why did they of all people get the exclusive MLB/MLBPA license? And why the heck are we now back to only one major card company like we had in 1956-80?

Special? Nothing. Money talks. They bid (by far) the most. You silly goose.

Estil

@DBesse27 said:

Special? Nothing. Money talks. They bid (by far) the most. You silly goose.

But money isn't everything though. What about history, tradition? And a common complaint in the mid 90s was there was too many sets issued by the then "Big Five" (Donruss, Fleer, Pinnacle/Score, Topps, Upper Deck) but as we've plainly seen, you can still have "too many" from one company just as if not more easily.

One idea I had at the time was each company should just have the regular set, top of the line set (like Flair or Finest), and maybe a couple middle teir sets. Preferably with some sort of distinctive theme. Like with Topps for example, Stadium Club was all about top photography (especially the first couple years) and Bowman was about rookies and especially pre-rookies. With Donruss, Leaf was the classic middle-teir set while Studio had a "behind the scenes, person behind the player", at least for its first three years. See how that works?

DBesse27

To the collector, history and tradition matter. In business, money IS everything.

Estil

@DBesse27 said:
To the collector, history and tradition matter. In business, money IS everything.

Well who do they think buys the cards?

DBesse27

@Estil said:

@DBesse27 said:
To the collector, history and tradition matter. In business, money IS everything.

Well who do they think buys the cards?

I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the players unions or the leagues make a penny off the sale of the cards. All they care about is making as much money as possible from the licensing deals. That’s why they went with Fanatics. After that, it’s Fanatics’ problem how to market and sell the cards.

countdouglas

@DBesse27 said:

@Estil said:

@DBesse27 said:
To the collector, history and tradition matter. In business, money IS everything.

Well who do they think buys the cards?

I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the players unions or the leagues make a penny off the sale of the cards. All they care about is making as much money as possible from the licensing deals. That’s why they went with Fanatics. After that, it’s Fanatics’ problem how to market and sell the cards.

Baltimore Orioles pitcher John Means' grandparents are having their 60th wedding celebration next month, and I plan to attend. If John is there, and I get a chance, I will ask him about this.

I seem to recall a story a couple of years ago from the grandfather that they went to visit John in some city that the Orioles were visiting, maybe Chicago?, and John was not scheduled to pitch that series. John's wife and son were going to be at the hotel as well, so the grandparents traveled there just to see John and his wife and their great-grandson. While there visiting in the hotel suite, John had something similar to an 800 count box full of cards, plus multiple sheets of stickers, and multiple colored pens, with instructions on how many of each card and sticker to sign with which pens, etc., and he carried on a conversation with his grandparents while he was signing the items. In the conversation about it, it came up that they did get extra money for doing those tasks, but I'm not sure that they do get any extra kickbacks if a certain product sells better year over year.

PatriotTrading

First, sorry for your loss, that can't be easy. Seems like ages since 2007 but I recall it like it was yesterday. I'm sure you'll find peace collecting this set. I dont know what consists of a Master Set these days but build whatever you think that entails. I'll also be collecting the Heritage set next year. I'll probably just put a normal one together with a few inserts that catch my eye.

Estil

@PatriotTrading said:
First, sorry for your loss, that can't be easy. Seems like ages since 2007 but I recall it like it was yesterday. I'm sure you'll find peace collecting this set. I dont know what consists of a Master Set these days but build whatever you think that entails. I'll also be collecting the Heritage set next year. I'll probably just put a normal one together with a few inserts that catch my eye.

For Heritage it's having the regular set, including SPs, and the insert sets that are NOT serial numbered. I LOVE trying to do master sets from the early/mid 90s (especially Fleer/Ultra) and it is a LOT of fun looking at all those different insert sets in my binders, especially since I remember as a teen back then how hard it would've been in those pre-internet days to just find, much less afford them!

craig44

@Estil said:

@DBesse27 said:

Special? Nothing. Money talks. They bid (by far) the most. You silly goose.

But money isn't everything though. What about history, tradition? And a common complaint in the mid 90s was there was too many sets issued by the then "Big Five" (Donruss, Fleer, Pinnacle/Score, Topps, Upper Deck) but as we've plainly seen, you can still have "too many" from one company just as if not more easily.

One idea I had at the time was each company should just have the regular set, top of the line set (like Flair or Finest), and maybe a couple middle teir sets. Preferably with some sort of distinctive theme. Like with Topps for example, Stadium Club was all about top photography (especially the first couple years) and Bowman was about rookies and especially pre-rookies. With Donruss, Leaf was the classic middle-teir set while Studio had a "behind the scenes, person behind the player", at least for its first three years. See how that works?

I believe the card companies actually have quotas for the number of sets produced every season put in place by MLB and MLBPA. I thought it was somewhere between 40 and 50 sets per year!!!

Estil

@craig44 said:

I believe the card companies actually have quotas for the number of sets produced every season put in place by MLB and MLBPA. I thought it was somewhere between 40 and 50 sets per year!!!

And people as far back as 1992 was complaining in Beckett Baseball Card Monthly about there being too many sets every year! I mean no one is making anyone buy all the sets...if you routinely got all the "big three" sets in the 80s, you could just do that just as you always have!

Estil

Oh wow, these flashbacks insert sets are really neat...I wonder if I should (someday) do those in sequence, seeing as how I was a history/political science major...

Estil

So it looks like the cost of a whole case is gonna be WAY out of my price range even on credit. And seeing how surprisingly affordable the "master sets" of 2020 Heritage are (1971; second favorite 70s set) it looks like I should just take the easy way out (as I always do) and just get a set. To paraphrase Mr Garrison in that one South Park episode where he talks about a, eh, different subject...doing it this way is a little boring but it's tried and true.

craig44

@Estil said:
So it looks like the cost of a whole case is gonna be WAY out of my price range even on credit. And seeing how surprisingly affordable the "master sets" of 2020 Heritage are (1971; second favorite 70s set) it looks like I should just take the easy way out (as I always do) and just get a set. To paraphrase Mr Garrison in that one South Park episode where he talks about a, eh, different subject...doing it this way is a little boring but it's tried and true.

just out of curiosity, how much is a case of 2024 Heritage?

craig44

It is better to settle for a set than to tie yourself up in debt over cards. may not be the most fun choice, but a wise one.

perhaps you can buy the set and a single unopened box to have fun opening instead of a whole case?

Estil

@craig44 said:
It is better to settle for a set than to tie yourself up in debt over cards. may not be the most fun choice, but a wise one.

perhaps you can buy the set and a single unopened box to have fun opening instead of a whole case?

Well you're close! I did in fact a couple years ago get a few unopened packs (wax/rack/cello) from BBCE (to restart my unopened pack collection with I stupidly sold off several years back) and I even got a few unopened cartons! Not for opening mind you, but as neat companion collectibles! See if I did indeed get the set I'd have no real reason to open any of its packs/cartons.

Estil

I was just looking through my original 1975 set and if he happens to remember...thanks so much for setting me up with some really nice cards (all in card savers!) for the binder/pages part at a really good price! I really am very proud of the 1974-79 sets I was able to create! I got the top 20 or so cards in each year from 1973-77 in PSA 7 (still missing Schmidt RC and the binder/pages part of the set) and 1978-79 in PSA 8s! It took many many years of slow and steady to accomplish this (among all the other things) but it was well worth it!

tigerfred

I said the same thing in 2005 about the 2022 Heritage set, and the card shop owner laughed at me. His shop has since closed and I am still collecting LOL. The 22 Heritage did not disappoint, save for no blue team checklists. my hopes for 2024 is no short prints-THEY DIDNOT EXIST IN 1975! Have all post 74 MVPs on 2 for 1 cards, and have card #4 be a tribute to Miguel Cabrera. As far as the minis, each base card get one. (1 per pack!)

BaltimoreYankee

That would be really cool if they updated the MVP cards. To this day, I know all of the 1951-'74 MVPs thanks to the 1975 Topps set.

Estil

@BaltimoreYankee said:
That would be really cool if they updated the MVP cards. To this day, I know all of the 1951-'74 MVPs thanks to the 1975 Topps set.

I think they should be included in addition to the original MVP cards...perhaps as an insert set? I really can't wait until they show the initial announcement/ad showing all the different kinds of inserts and such they're gonna do!

Now I'm considering maybe getting a hobby carton ever month so I can still "opening those packs was a lot of fun" like that Beckett article I told ya about...are there any inserts I should look for that I can easily cash in on? sigh So much I want to do across all different collecting hobbies and so little spare change to do them with... But I suppose you know what they say about "slow and steady" and I'm only 43...hopefully God willing I still got plenty of time to do and collect what I want to...

Estil

@tigerfred said:
I said the same thing in 2005 about the 2022 Heritage set, and the card shop owner laughed at me. His shop has since closed and I am still collecting LOL. The 22 Heritage did not disappoint, save for no blue team checklists. my hopes for 2024 is no short prints-THEY DIDNOT EXIST IN 1975! Have all post 74 MVPs on 2 for 1 cards, and have card #4 be a tribute to Miguel Cabrera. As far as the minis, each base card get one. (1 per pack!)

So 1973 is your favorite? Did the shop owner laugh at you for liking the 1973's or for thinking so far ahead? You know I got most of the key cards in PSA 7 (except Schmidt) but boy is it tricky to find a nice near set in NRMT+ condition for the binder/pages part (if that makes sense)...

And you shouldn't be laughing about a guy's business going under, that's not nice

tigerfred

@estil 73 was the 1st year i collected, so he laughed at me for thinking ahead. He was a poor businessman, so I kind of saw it coming

Estil

@tigerfred said:
@estil 73 was the 1st year i collected, so he laughed at me for thinking ahead. He was a poor businessman, so I kind of saw it coming

That's one thing I don't think I could ever do, yet it's one of the very few ways to have a chance to become rich...as well as good investing. Problem is I'm very much NOT a risk taker and you must be a risk taker to do either one.

tigerfred

@Estil going back to 24 Heritage. Maybe an insert set of MVPs 75-23 is they way to go. How do you think Minis should be addressed?