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1989 Why did Fleer do this Sheet

handymanhandyman Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

I get that it is a correction of the card. But why do this? I thought they would only need to correct the one card on the sheet. But not make millions of just the one card. Did they say hey we made X million FFs so we need to make X million Black out versions? Did they mail them or what? I mean if these were made in a factory like this it seems they didnt just put 15 BLack outs all in one wax pack. Also did they do this with other key cards? Or other years?
Any idea?

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe they pulled the FF cards that hadn't been shipped, or maybe they were concerned people would not want a card with the "F" word on it and ask for a replacement.
    Just "fixing" the one card on the sheet would only work if found very early in the printing process, so creating a sheet of just the card in question makes complete sense.
    What is curious to me is that there are several (4?) different ways they corrected the card.

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  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They definitely offered a redemption to anyone that wanted to trade the obscenity in for a clean card so this makes perfect sense.

    They also could have removed Ripken FF from the sheet and then mixed these in like they do with modern inserts.

    As far as the multiple ways they corrected it, I have little doubt that they were farming out the printing to multiple locations (I know Fleer, Topps and Donruss did this in 1990) and each location chose their own way to "fix" them. It was typical to have the printing done elsewhere and the assembly into packs/boxes/cases done at one location, HQ.

    1990 Donruss is one of the most E&V-filled sets ever because they farmed out to so many locations and there were so many chefs in the kitchen that every time they went in to correct one error they created two more.

    Arthur

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it was definitely for redemption purposes.

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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2023 12:50PM

    One other question if anyone knows. But the factory complete sets i guess were made at the end of the year? Is that how it normally worked? Because no sets can have the ff right? What card typically was in the factory set of the 4 versions?

  • rbsalezmanrbsalezman Posts: 79 ✭✭✭

    Didn't Upper Deck do the same thing that year with Ken Griffey Jr.?

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @handyman said:
    One other question if anyone knows. But the factory complete sets i guess were made at the end of the year? Is that how it normally worked? Because no sets can have the ff right? What card typically was in the factory set of the 4 versions?

    Factory sets were printed after the FF error had already been corrected. There are no confirmed factory sets with any version other than the black box.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2023 1:17PM

    Crazy to see a sheet of just one card like this. And like another said about 1989 ud Griffey. Just imagine if fleer could do this with 1986 Jordan’s just made 3 years prior. This sheet made me pause and think. Thanks for the replies guys.

  • junkwaxgemsjunkwaxgems Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2023 6:14PM

    These were replacements for the FF and are actually a different version of the black box card. There are at least two distinct tells that show whether a black box copy comes from these sheets of the normal sheets with various players.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @handyman said:
    One other question if anyone knows. But the factory complete sets i guess were made at the end of the year? Is that how it normally worked? Because no sets can have the ff right? What card typically was in the factory set of the 4 versions?

    I bought 2 factory Glossy sets. Both had the black box version.

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  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭✭

    I have one of these!
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  • junkwaxgemsjunkwaxgems Posts: 224 ✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @handyman said:
    One other question if anyone knows. But the factory complete sets i guess were made at the end of the year? Is that how it normally worked? Because no sets can have the ff right? What card typically was in the factory set of the 4 versions?

    I bought 2 factory Glossy sets. Both had the black box version.

    There aren't any variations in the glossy version. PSA may have mislabeled some but only black box exists for the glossy Bill Ripken.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @junkwaxgems said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @handyman said:
    One other question if anyone knows. But the factory complete sets i guess were made at the end of the year? Is that how it normally worked? Because no sets can have the ff right? What card typically was in the factory set of the 4 versions?

    I bought 2 factory Glossy sets. Both had the black box version.

    There aren't any variations in the glossy version. PSA may have mislabeled some but only black box exists for the glossy Bill Ripken.

    LOTS of regular Fleer product ended up slabbed as Glossy as well.😠

    I decided to invest in a Randy Johnson rookie and saw at least two.that were PSA graded "Glossy" with the yellow back and a few other ones with no back scan.

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  • @rbsalezman said:
    Didn't Upper Deck do the same thing that year with Ken Griffey Jr.?

    they did but that was for a different reason, that was for certain people to sell them into the market for a big profit hoping that no one would notice

  • junkwaxgemsjunkwaxgems Posts: 224 ✭✭✭

    @beachbumcollecting said:

    @rbsalezman said:
    Didn't Upper Deck do the same thing that year with Ken Griffey Jr.?

    they did but that was for a different reason, that was for certain people to sell them into the market for a big profit hoping that no one would notice

    According to Card Sharks, Upper Deck printed thousands (hundreds of thousands in Griffey's case) of additional copies of the following:

    1989 UD Griffey
    1989 UD Murphy Rev Neg Error
    1991 UD Jordan SP1

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