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Guess the Grade Texas Commem - plus opine on the toning / pricing (revealed in comments)

U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 26, 2023 5:59PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Please guess the grade on this Texas Commem.
Also, do you think the colors are attractive and what type of premium would they bring above an untoned example in the same grade (that you guess it is slabbed as)?

Note: I found the photo online (no edits were done by me; I copied it over here as I found it).

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66? I hate going first!

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks flawless. love the EA. 67+

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AT - unc details

    This has a small shade of that questionable artificial blue tone. I think this coin has a fair shot at straight grading, but I wouldn’t touch this one.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks AT to me.

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree on the QT. If it's straight graded I'll say 65+

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  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2023 8:28PM

    AT. since it is AT, no straight grade.

    I will say that there are morgans out there that look very similar, so maybe this is NT, but the blue looks too brilliant for the reds present. I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary.

    Dead people tell interesting tales.
  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey @OAKSTAR I went first so you are good :#

    I see many AT guesses, to be honest, I almost never guess details or AT, I assume a GTG is GTG, and nothing but.
    So I guess the grade, you almost can never really tell from a scan, and we've seen that from the last few GTG's. especially that last great reveal lol

  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 373 ✭✭✭✭

    AT

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

    Mr_Spud

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish said:
    Hey @OAKSTAR I went first so you are good :#

    >

    No way. It must have been a tie! 😂 🤣

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  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭

    67+ & I like it! I say it will bring a premium over a white one.

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Miss Texas suffered a deadly blow to the head. Ouch! She looks like a Star Trek alien. The coin isn't well struck and may even been wiped (Alamo). The toning does not enhance the detail of the coin either. MS63. How can that coin be graded higher with that deep ding to the head of Miss Texas turning her into an Orc? Is this CAC stickered?

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC Details, QC

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:
    Miss Texas suffered a deadly blow to the head. Ouch! She looks like a Star Trek alien. The coin isn't well struck and may even been wiped (Alamo). The toning does not enhance the detail of the coin either. MS63. How can that coin be graded higher with that deep ding to the head of Miss Texas turning her into an Orc? Is this CAC stickered?

    It was made that way. I found a few others rather quickly. Here’s a PCGS 67+/CAC example:

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 details

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2023 2:55PM

    @MFeld said:

    @Barberian said:
    Miss Texas suffered a deadly blow to the head. Ouch! She looks like a Star Trek alien. The coin isn't well struck and may even been wiped (Alamo). The toning does not enhance the detail of the coin either. MS63. How can that coin be graded higher with that deep ding to the head of Miss Texas turning her into an Orc? Is this CAC stickered?

    It was made that way. I found a few others rather quickly. Here’s a PCGS 67+/CAC example:

    LOL! One has the eye in the pit (yours), while this coin has an eye outside the pit. I looked at it and screamed with terror. My comments stand on the strike and toning that doesn't enhance the coins details, the latter only representing a personal preference. MS65 then after reconstructive surgery on her face. (MS65)

    Re your coin (MS67+), it has a much better strike and now I can see the 'texture' of the dies on the Alamo. The eyeball is presumably in the right place at the bottom of the pit and not popping out the side of her head like the OP coin.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2023 3:18PM

    Here are two circulated coins that show much better strikes or clearer detail than the OP coin. No deep dent for her left eye.
    No eyeballs popping out of the temple either.


    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Barberian said:
    Miss Texas suffered a deadly blow to the head. Ouch! She looks like a Star Trek alien. The coin isn't well struck and may even been wiped (Alamo). The toning does not enhance the detail of the coin either. MS63. How can that coin be graded higher with that deep ding to the head of Miss Texas turning her into an Orc? Is this CAC stickered?

    It was made that way. I found a few others rather quickly. Here’s a PCGS 67+/CAC example:

    LOL! One has the eye in the pit (yours), while this coin has an eye outside the pit. I looked at it and screamed with terror. My comments stand on the strike and toning that doesn't enhance the coins details, the latter only representing a personal preference. MS65 then after reconstructive surgery on her face. (MS65)

    Re your coin (MS67+), it has a much better strike and now I can see the 'texture' of the dies on the Alamo. The eyeball is presumably in the right place at the bottom of the pit and not popping out the side of her head like the OP coin.

    😀
    Your comments about eyes and pits bring to mind a couple of old expressions:
    1) “The ayes have it.” and 2) “This is the pits.”

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any more guesses before the reveal?

  • miles_longmiles_long Posts: 50 ✭✭✭

    66+

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

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  • mtn_scoutmtn_scout Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    The picture is a little too far away for me to see the wear areas but I'm going to guess 67 as I'm not seeing overt wear that is noticeable in the picture

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2023 6:01PM

    Grade Reveal

    This one is an ICG MS 65. The listing appears to use a TrueView photo (the same one as in the original post) but it has no mention of PCGS anywhere; the full slab photos are the ICG slab. This looks to be a somewhat older ICG slab (at the very least it isn't the newest generation). So either someone tried to cross it unsuccessfully (but got a photo in the process-although I don't think photos are taken on failed crossovers) or it went to PCGS first, where it got a details grade (probably QC). There is a small chance it got a straight grade at PCGS, but I doubt that someone would have sent it to ICG if the PCGS grade wasn't details (although anything is possible).

    As far as pricing, the ask is about 100-150 above the going rate for a PCGS MS 65 that is not toned.


  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ICG?!?!? That doesn't count!!

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only kidding. 👍🏻

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    sneaky, the opener is cool, the reveal is drecky, day and night, almost embarrassed to have said 67+, but even @OAKSTAR was off by a wittle :D

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