76-CC Trade Dollar 1/1 - Die Marriage Discovery coin - for T$ super-fans
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I won this coin last night for my chopmarked trade dollar variety set; I was very excited to add a very tough Obv 1 Rev 1 coin as it is a very tough variety. However, I am not an expert. I consulted with @OriginalDan and apparently there were only two known (EDIT: actually 3, see below) reverse dies for the type 1 76-CC; the DDR and the Wide CC. Hunting through CoinFacts I was able to find a matching reverse die on a 75-CC to confirm the authenticity and discovery. I'm pretty stoked about this addition (other than having to placate my wife once she finds out how far into nerd-dom I've descended)!
Here is the 76-CC:
Here is an example of the matching reverse die on the 75-CC:
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Very cool! You're too far down the rabbit hole for me to be of any assistance, but I will watch with enthusiasm and cheer you on from the sidelines.
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cool find, I like the chops. I believe this is more scarce than the wide cc or the DDR. Here is mine ( old clean dip AU)
The only two previously known 76-CC type 1 reverses were the Doubled Die:
and the Wide CC:
EDIT: These are off of coinfacts, not my coins.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
@lermish Wow, really neat discovery - congratulations!
The only thing I can add is that there are actually 3 Type 1 reverse die marriages previously described by @alefzero - the C-1 and C-2, as shown in your images above, and the C-3, which @kaz posted an example of.
See:
http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/1876-CC_Trade.html
So your new die marriage discovery is the 4th Type 1 reverse variety (rather than third). Very exciting find!
You are correct, don't know how I could forget about that one as I saw examples searching through pictures.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Correct, this is a new discovery and the 4th known type 1 reverse die mated with a 76-CC obverse. Sorry @lermish if I confused things, I throw out the DDR sometimes in my head when I think about type 1's on this issue.
Great coin and fun discovery!
That’s super cool, congrats
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Here are the listings I have for the 1876-CC Type I/I Trade dollars.
1 – I90/I92: Low Left Arc Date / DDR [FS-801]
Obv – The date is set low and to the left, with a worm die scratch in the denticles below 876. 18 are tilted left and 76 are tilted right.
Rev – The central reverse is doubled strongly. No lower left serif on the second L/DOLLAR. Legend letters are broken. Horizontal gouge in upper N/GRAINS. (FS-801)
1.1 – I90/I92: Low Left Arc Date / DDR, Connected CC [FS-801]
Obv – The date is set low and to the left, with a worm die scratch in the denticles below 876. 18 are tilted left and 76 are tilted right.
Rev – The central reverse is doubled strongly. No lower left serif on the second L/DOLLAR. Legend letters are broken. Horizontal gouge in upper N/GRAINS. The bottoms of the CC mint mark are connected by an horizontal gouge. (FS-801)
2 – I91/I7: High Date, Tilted 1 / Very Wide CC
Obv – The date is set high and slightly right with the 1 tilted left.
Rev – Medium CC mint mark is very widely spaced with the second C under the comma.
2.1 – I91/I7: High Date, Tilted 1 / Very Wide CC, Clashed Denticles
Obv – The date is set high and slightly right with the 1 tilted left.
Rev – Medium CC mint mark is very widely spaced with the second C under the comma. Four denticles are clashed in the field below the eagle’s left wing.
3.1 – I92/I93: High Right Slanted Date / Large Wide CC
Obv – The date is set high, right, and slanted downward.
Rev – Large wide CC with the first C set low. Pin gouge in N/GRAINS.
3.2 – I92/I93: High Right Slanted Date, Pitted Stars / Large Wide CC
Obv – The date is set high, right, and slanted downward. Pitted star 12 and 13. Polished central device.
Rev – Large wide CC with the first C set low. Pin gouge in N/GRAINS.
The shots from @kaz are 3.1 or 3.2, probably the latter, as the star pitting can be pretty subtle and hard to photograph. The other two die pairs are familiar to everyone.
Looks like yours is a new pairing. The obverse die (I catalogued as I94) was also used for two different Type I/II pairings (C-5 and C-10, plus the later stages C-5.1 and C-5.2). The reverse die (catalogued as I48) had been seen on three 1875-CC pairings, your example being C-6. That could be confirmed by a light die crack at the top of TES of STATES.
So you have an intriguing piece there. I would like to get it into the listings. It would go in as C-10 (I95/I48). However, there is a little issue. But I am just quickly looking at it. It is certainly new, but I need to confirm the dies precisely of course, as some are very close with very subtle differences and I am still working through looking for unavoidable certainty of errors here and there. Very cool find.
Unless these coins were struck out of order (76CC first, then 75CC) I don't see how these can be matching dies.
They do match - they have the same mint mark position and same die cracks (the ones atop "UNITED STATES" show faintly on the 76CC, but they are there). Also, the denticles are full of matching gouges.
You are correct, these are definitely identical reverse dies re: mess of die lines in the reverse.
Sure, die cracks are there but way less advanced than on the 76CC. Most obvious is the one going south from U in UNITED, or between TES of STATES.
Something doesn't add up here...
Well spotted, Dan.
I also see a very slight slant to the left in the leftmost mint mark "C" in the 76; the 75' s Cs appear aligned straight.Of course, this could just be my 66 year old eyes (and brain) imagining things
Nonetheless, a very cool find!!!
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Perhaps it's partly a photography issue - I can see the crack from "U" more clearly in the auction photo:
I never claim to be an expert for just this sort of scenario
I looked at a few PUPs to try to identify. First, the lower serif on the second L and the mint mark which match to me. The die crack on UNI does appear fainter on the 76 vs the 75 however the 76 was circulated and I am doing this all via pictures.
@OriginalDan noticed the die scratches in the dentils from above the second T in States all the way past the end of America. They are a perfect match.
And that is the bleeding edge of my knowledge but I am very happy for any additional input.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
the mess of die scratches in the dentils on the rev show these are absolutely the same dies. 100%
my guess is the photography is hiding the die break lines on the 76, at least I’ve certainly been fooled before by a picture. @lermish can confirm when the coin is in hand.
I catalogued it as C-11 (I94/I48), as C-10 was already allocated to a recently found I/II pair.