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1986 fleer jordan 8.5 .... 6 if I had it graded

Here's an example of buying the card vs the grade.

How this managed to get an 8.5 is beyond me. I've submitted much better cards and received an 8.

In my opinion I would give the following Edges 6.5/7 , corners 6.5/7, and centering 8.5. The only thing which could explain this is if it were swapped out but the certification tool shows the exact same card. I'm in the market for a true 8.5 but BGS prices are half and they actually look better than this one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225772149015?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=9dmn8KJGS16&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ae-eOCLFR9S&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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    I can give you some cert numbers of my submission where I received 8s for cards that had 60/40 or better centering, no edge issues, no visible corner issues, and no surface issues from this past February. I'm just comparing it to the standards used on my cards.

    If I can see white on 3 corners (6.5 was harsh, I agree but I'malso not using a magnifier, 7.5/8 on the resubmission), at least 2 edges have white as well (I can't see the areas of card where it is white but bottom left edge and almost the entire right edge), and centering isn't perfect to the naked eye. I also see a circular print defect or surface issue on the dark blue of the lower left right by the red.
    I would have been tickled blue if I submitted this and got an 8.5

    I will follow-up with pics of my 8s from the cert page. Just a moment.

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    I will lose $10/15 per card. There was another too but I gave it away. $60/$90 and my time was wasted.

    Either the Jordan is over graded, mine are undergraded, or both.

    I have never had a .5 in any of my submissions, all solid numbers.

    Can you understand my frustration with these 8s?

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    olb31olb31 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the .5 should be issued to show the consumer that this card is considered to have mint centering. I have a ton of cards on ebay that are perfectly centered and none have .5's. To me the .5 's solidify the centering.

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    balco758balco758 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ha you should see my 9, which today is prob a 7 all day.

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    Maybe you get a better, or more appropriate, grade if you then pay a significantly larger grading fee based on the declared value.

    I hadn't stopped to think that the veterans are probably grading the higher declared value items.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see nothing wrong with that Jordan in an 8.5 holder. a bit of a rough cut on the right side is no problem at all.

    Remember, even 10's are not perfect.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2023 12:10PM

    @JolleyWrencher said:
    Either the Jordan is over graded, mine are undergraded, or both.

    Can you understand my frustration with these 8s?

    Yes. I got murdered on a lot of my Feb subs as well.
    Doesn't mean the standards change just because you're comparing your poorly graded cards to cards that are correctly graded like this Jordan IMO. It only just confirms that your cards were poorly graded.
    As for you junk wax Bo's, I think we know how PSA feels about those, and I'll leave it at that.

    @JolleyWrencher said:

    If I can see white on 3 corners (6.5 was harsh, I agree but I'malso not using a magnifier, 7.5/8 on the resubmission), at least 2 edges have white as well (I can't see the areas of card where it is white but bottom left edge and almost the entire right edge), and centering isn't perfect to the naked eye. I also see a circular print defect or surface issue on the dark blue of the lower left right by the red.

    I'm in agreement with PSA if they are grading "on a curve" for certain series of cards, much like the rough cut forgiveness with OPC, and not just comparing everything to modern.
    I see the edges showing some white as a rough cut, not wear.
    PSA 8 standards allow for: "a minor printing imperfection" and "slight fraying at one or two corners"
    So the white dots on the corners is certainly less than "slight fraying" and a 7 would be inappropriate IMO.
    And the circular print defect you see (which I don't) is OK based on the standard definition.

    Here is my fairly recently graded Dr J, that I figured would be an 8.
    (I don't think in terms of1/2 grades. Possible 9 if not for that 1 corner)
    Rough cut, good centering, one corner wear. Comparable to the Jordan grade?

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a solid grade.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    Some of your bo Jackson's are off center top to bottom and I see some small corner issues on a few. Not sure what you are mad about

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    To see your DR J as a 8.5 with slight off centering and 2 white corners (top left and bottom right) as graded higher than most of my 8s is why I am not satisfied.

    I like your card, I understand it is correctly graded as they took into account how these cards were manufactured, but I don't think most of my 8s were worthy of 8s. It's nothing more than that. It's not even worth talking about anymore because $30/$40 of value I feel has been lost between a 8 vs 9, per card, has consumed more of my time than what I could be making at work.

    I take the grading standards published on the website literally and have been comparing my cards to 9s an 10s I've seen selling on ebay for the last 10 years.

    I am over it. I'm better off spending my time and money in something which gives me positivity rather than negativity, even if I brought it on myself because of inexperience, at least I'm recognizing I need to stop trying to play the game and quit before I get too far behind.

    Thanks for the responses. I appreciate your time to help educate me and others.

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    The Jordan is a solid 8. I just showed the card without a grade to 6 of my collector buddies and all 6 gave the card an 8.

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    @Yankees70 said:
    The Jordan is a solid 8. I just showed the card without a grade to 6 of my collector buddies and all 6 gave the card an 8.

    I would have called it an 8 without knowing. In never guess with a 1/2 grade because I realize those are pretty random in my experience

    One thing a lot of people forget when looking at these scans is that you are looking at the card 3-5X the normal size. almost any vintage card is going to show some kind of white in that scenario.

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That Jordan is not overgraded. I wouldnt have been surprised to get 8s had I submitted your Bo Jacksons either.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    @grote15 said:
    That Jordan is not overgraded. I wouldnt have been surprised to get 8s had I submitted your Bo Jacksons either.

    Because of top to bottom centering? Is it a 2pt hit?

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭

    @JolleyWrencher said:

    @grote15 said:
    That Jordan is not overgraded. I wouldnt have been surprised to get 8s had I submitted your Bo Jacksons either.

    Because of top to bottom centering? Is it a 2pt hit?

    It is if it's 65/35, which some are close to that.

    I know you don't want to talk about it, but looking at the Bo's you posted....

    ....the registration is off and the circle is not a clean complete round circle.

    The circle looks broken up/oblong. (not sure how to describe it and it may be the scan)

    And on this Bo, with the light at a low angle, it looks like the surface has some gloss lost or surface wear.
    Some of the other Bo's don't show that in the scan, so that can be a hit on that one.
    Just speculation of course, since the cards are not in hand.

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