Does anybody have Precise Weights of 1873 No Arrows Silver Dimes, Quarters and Halves?
CaptHenway
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I realize that in this day and age it is virtually impossible to get decent weights of coins for research purposes due to slabbing, but does anybody have any records of the precise weights of any Uncirculated or Proof 1873 No Arrows Dimes, Quarters or Halves, WITH a note as to whether they are CLOSED 3 or OPEN 3 coins? A friend is doing some research on the subject. Here is his note to me:
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Does anyone happen to have accurate weights for 1873 silver coins with closed 3 vs open 3 in the date, but no arrows?
Weight of dimes, quarters, and halves was raised slightly after March 31, 1873, and arrows placed at the date. Before & after April 1 (grains converted to grams with 2 decimal places to minimize rounding errors):
Dime to 2.49 grams to 2.50 grams
Quarter 6.22 grams to 6.25 grams
Half 12.44 grams to 12.50 grams
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Your weights can be given in Grains or Grams. Grains are actually more precise because they are a smaller unit, but we will take what we can get.
(Back in 1981 when the Lindermann Specimen of the 1804 Dollar walked into ANACS, I had one of the Authenticators weigh it on our very precise GRAIN scale. The weight he got was within one-one-hundredth of a Grain of the weight listed for the specimen in "The Fantastic 1804 Dollar." I later used this weight in Court as evidence that this coin belonged to the duPont Family when the U.S. Government was trying the person who brought it in for transporting stolen goods across state lines. Accurate weights can be VERY useful!)
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I have an accurate scale, and many raw seated half dimes,
but no Unc or Proof 1873s of the higher denominations to weigh.
And of course all 1873 half dimes are No Arrows, Closed 3,
so they don't help for this analysis.
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Or if there is ----- or ==== on the second line.
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Usually it happens when people start a line with something like # 1 .
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Exactly.
The person in question is wondering if any pieces were struck to the new weight standards before the With Arrows dies were introduced.
There was no special character before the first word, but I had used a double hyphen to separate the quote from my words. I just went back in and replaced the hyphens with single asterisks and that fixed it.
Can't help here, despite having some coins. I have 1873 NA quarters in XF40 (both open and closed 3 business strikes) and a Closed 3 in PR65. All are locked up in slabs.
Yeah, it's pretty much going to have to be from old records. The early ANACS submission forms included very accurate weights partly for identification purposes, but those records are lost.
Regarding the 50C I pulled this out of Complete Guide Liberty Half Dollar (1993) by Randy Wiley and Bill Bugert...
My understanding is that the new standard is within the old standard tolerance. So, I would assume you could find coins that seem to be in the new standard. I think for the experiment to work, you'd need to find an uncirculated no arrows coin outside the old standard tolerance.