im not your typical complainer but
steve76020
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and without proof i will absolutely not call someone out on suspicion by name. i do believe tho that there is a seller or two one i have suspected a couple times of shilling bids. i mean bidding up his own items he is selling. i dont know if its possible even to do this.
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If it doesn't feel right.
Why have this seller on your saved seller list?
I bought some gold nuggets from a seller with a lot of feedback.
Some came in with quartz crystals and gold.
I paid for gold not Quartz and told the seller that.
She said I could send them back for a refund but it wasn't worth the price or time.
I let her know I wouldn't be spending anymore money on nuggets with her.
It is virtually impossible to prove shill bidding.
I'm not sure why your discomfort level alone isn't sufficient to move on. But if you are trying so hard to hold on to this dealer, maybe you like what you're getting from them in which case stop worrying about alleged shill bidding.
I never worry about shill bidding. I only enter an amount I am willing to pay.
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Buy a coin at a price you like, or don’t. It’s that simple.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
If you have concerns about the seller's honesty... in the words immortalized in Monty Python and the Holy Grail - "Run away!"
Mark
Shill bidding does not concern me. If the bid goes over my price, I look elsewhere.
I do not understand your post...
You want proof a seller is shill bidding their listings so YOU can remove him from YOUR own "saved seller list"?
I would hope no one here "hates you"- I would assume folks here get tired of nonsense posts though.
Place your bid only once right before the close of the auction. I don’t want to give anyone time to consider stretching past what they originally set as their max bid, or a seller placing bids in small increments to try to find my max bid.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
Steve, do realize you have the ability to take him off your saved sellers list?
If not, I am happy to walk you through the process of removing a saved seller. Just send me a PM.😎
I have been buying on ebay for over 24 years
I never once worried about, looked into, or wasted anytime time thinking about shills as it is a nonissue.
I set my buy price, not the shill.
Sooooooooooooo much time wasted on this nonissue.
If they are shill bidding then they are dishonest to begin with - get rid of them and don't look back.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
For me the suspicion of shill bidding is enough for me to not bid on a seller's items. There may or may not be enough evidence to prove it to others but if I'm uncomfortable with a purchase,i don't make the purchase.
This is always brought up when the topic of shill bidding is brought up. I get it, and agree to some extent. Everyone sets their max price, but of course they would like to get the coin for less, right?
Shill bidding can make sure you pay your max even when no other legit bidder was willing to bid near your max. That is not a fair auction. Surely you can understand people wanting a fair auction, right?
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It does not matter. It is what it is.
It is a reserve price.
I do not care who I buy from.
I buy coins at my price.
Keep it simple.
I'll tell you guys what happened to me once. When entering a $500 bid, I accidentally entered an extra zero, and in my hurry with less than a minute left in the auction, I clicked "submit" before noticing. I then took a real beating when a zero feedback bidder (that I suspect was a shill) tossed in a large hail Mary bid with around 5 seconds left and caused me to pay twice my $500 max. LOL!
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Shill bidding is not the same as a reserve price. One is determined before the auction has begun, and the other is used to make sure the top bidder pays their full max bid. You are oversimplifying this matter.
But, everyone gets to do things the way they want. I mean, the only time wasted on this issue is yours for taking part in this thread.
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Nuggets with host rock attached are worth more than pure nuggets. Specimens, as they are called, are almost always proof that the nugget is Nature made and not man made. Quarts is very light and and if it's not too much, it's worth whatever you lose in gold value. More than makes up for it.
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in the past, I saved money using auction sniper, setting my max bid and having A/S submit my bid 3 seconds, or whatever, before the auction ended. The 1% they charged was worth it for low value items. For expensive stuff, I sweated it out and set a pre-determined max bid about 8 seconds before end.
shill bid is just another bid, don't overpay and make them sell the stuff to themselves!
Wow. Go ahead waste your time "researching" shills
I have bought about 100,000 coins on ebay and never once thought about a shill and could care less as it does not matter at all.
Learn from me or waste your time, its your choice.
I think you misunderstood what I said, but it doesn’t matter. I agree with you to a point. Shill bidding doesn’t affect me because I always snipe. By the time the auction is near its end I can make a better decision what my max bid will be, or even if I think it’s worth putting in a bid.
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I choose none of the above😂🤣
The shill can't know what your full max bid is.
I am curious what a "typical eBay cop" is though!
I’ve been in an eBay auction where the final bid that went over my max got redacted. It happens, albeit probably pretty rare.
If someone is okay with a seller bidding up one of their items, then that’s totally okay. Some people (including eBay) are not. That’s totally okay too. It’s not a waste of someone’s time to want to look into what they think might be shill bidding.
It’s only a waste of time for someone who joins a thread just to tell those people they are wasting their time.
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And, of course, this is a waste of my time right now 😂.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
It is called spreading knowledge which is what this forum is about,
Some choose not to learn.
But you are right, I am wasting my time so I'm done with this thread.
The waste of time is trying to prove it. You can just move on. You don't need definitive proof to stop frequenting a seller.
Learn what? If it bugs them and not you, why do they have to agree with you? There's nothing wrong with having a problem with shill bidding. I don't care about shilling, but if it bugs them, they are allowed to be bothered.
Agreed.
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i guess thats the way i should view it thanks
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Very simple, just report every one of the sellers items on eBay. Let them do the research and shut them down. Here’s the drop downs from the list you will want to use:
In another thread, you referred to Forum members as "slime trail leaving slugs". Later in the same thread, you wrote, "I am your worst nightmare". To be fair, you deleted the latter, but why write something like that in the first place?
Now you're accusing others of "hate speech"? If you feel compelled to write such things, perhaps you should ask yourself whether you are a good fit for the Forum.
You can't prove shill bidding, because you don't know the full story. There's normal and innocent eBay activity that can look an awful lot like shill bidding, yet not actually be shill bidding. A "loyal customer" who buys coins from one seller, and nobody else, can look an awful lot like a shill bidder, yet be nothing more sinister than an actual loyal customer.
EBay itself might be able to prove shill bidding, because they can see more behind-the-scenes stuff (like IP addresses, and whether or not lots of other people have reported potential shilling on that account), but even then a halfway-clever shill bidder can operate undetected by eBay. And if eBay can't prove it, there's no way you could ever prove it.
So all you can do is report a suspected shiller to eBay, then move on. EBay will either NARU them, or they won't find enough evidence and so take no action. If you report a suspected shiller and eBay takes no action, then you can assume a "no evidence of guilt" verdict has been made.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
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yes sappy i know what your saying and it just seems like sometimes its happening and im probably wrong because i do purchase a lot from this seller
Curious why you changed the post title?
And I guess you deleted your comment relative to me...
one and a two and a three
I saw it before he deleted it - it was another snarky comment telling you he was blocking you.
Well that didn't take long.............the real steve76020 is back............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
what about you ike you just belong every where you go because your such a nice cordial fellow
English?
I can sleep tonight
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reported
Hopefully @PCGS_Moderator will put this one out of its misery...
good outlook
The wolf or @Steven59 ?
I have a customer, 25 years together! He's VERY paranoid about counterfeits, including slabs. He only buys coins on eBay from me. Not that I'm running a lot of auctions these days. But if you looked at his eBay activity, you'd swear he's an alt of mine.
He's a great guy! I wish I had a dozen of him.
Reported for being funny??
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Yes. It is possible to shill.