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only 6 current pitchers have won more than 150 wins

verlander
greinke
scherzer
kershaw
wainwright
hamels

that's amazing to me to have so few pitchers with 150 wins. greinke wainwright and hamels are done and/or practically done.

verlander is probably the last pitcher who will even have a 1% chance of winning 300 games for the remaining of mlb history.

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  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cole is 32 years old with 140 wins. Nola is 30 with 88. Jose Berrios is 29 with 81. Somehow Bumgarner and Strasburg are still only 33, but I think we can exclude them. I don't think the first three have great chances, but surely better than 1% at this point.

  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pitching has changed so much in the last 15 years. Pitch counts and specialized relievers coming in have really decreased win totals.

    They have even come up with a new stat (in my opinion) to make up for lack of wins..... The "quality start". If memory is correct a quality start is 5 innings pitched giving up 3 runs or less.

    Bob Gibson would roll his eyes at a stat like that. Bob Gibson didn't make it to 300 wins. He only had 251 wins..... But had 255 COMPLETE GAMES!

    Big money and advanced stats have simply changed pitching. I don't think we will ever see another 300 game winner

    Shane

  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a shame the way pitching has changed. In the 1970's guys were leading their league in complete games with an average of around 25 or so. Last year, Framber Valdez led the AL with 3 and Sandy Alcantara led the NL with 6. The last time someone had more that 6 CGs was 2011.
    Part of the reason Gerrit Cole only has 10 wins towards the end of August in a potential Cy Young season is that he only has one complete game and only three others over 7 innings. These pitchers don't have the opportunity to rack up wins like they did in the past.

    Daniel
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's a dumb rule that starting pictures can pitch 4+ innings and not get the win even though their team is ahead and a relief picture can come in and pitch a third of an inning and get the win.

    Shane

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought Verlander could get to 300, but his pace has slowed quite a lot this season. K's are way down as well.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I thought Verlander could get to 300, but his pace has slowed quite a lot this season. K's are way down as well.

    Optimisitically - 275.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If Scherzer or Verlander could put together 2 more decent years after this one they could crack the top 5 in strikeouts:

    1. Nolan Ryan+ (27) 5714 5386.0 R
    2. Randy Johnson+ (22) 4875 4135.1 L
    3. Roger Clemens (24) 4672 4916.2 R
    4. Steve Carlton+ (24) 4136 5217.2 L
    5. Bert Blyleven+ (22) 3701 4970.0 R
    6. Tom Seaver+ (20) 3640 4783.0 R
    7. Don Sutton+ (23) 3574 5282.1 R
    8. Gaylord Perry+ (22) 3534 5350.0 R
    9. Walter Johnson+ (21) 3509 5914.1 R
    10. Greg Maddux+ (23) 3371 5008.1 R
    11. Max Scherzer (16, 38) 3344 2813.1 R
    12. Phil Niekro+ (24) 3342 5404.0 R
    13. Justin Verlander (18, 40) 3292 3275.1 R
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  • brad31brad31 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cy Young’s 511 wins is the most unbreakable record in sports.

  • goldman86goldman86 Posts: 495 ✭✭✭

    @brad31 said:
    Cy Young’s 511 wins is the most unbre749akable record in sports.

    You don't know if teams will change the way they use pitchers. What if a team decides to use a work horse every game that the game is tied after the 6th inning. You could generate a lot of wins that way. A durable long pitcher could gets wins throwing 3 innings and do that 2 or 3 times a week.

    You were on the right track here, but the most unbreakable record in baseball history is Cy Youngs complete games of 749.

    To put that number into perspective, a pitcher would have to come up when he was 18 years old and throw a complete game in his debut. He would then have to throw a complete game his next time out and again and again for the entire season. If a player never misses any of his 33 starts a year, meaning no injuries ever, and throws a complete game every time, he would break the record half way through his 23 season. So a pitcher has to throw a complete game in everyone of his starts from age 18 to age 41 to break the complete game record.

    That's unbreakable!

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  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @brad31 said:
    Cy Young’s 511 wins is the most unbreakable record in sports.

    His record of 316 losses seems pretty safe as well.

    Daniel
  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really have to throw out the pitching comparisons for pitchers who pitched significantly before 1920. The rules and the way the game was played has almost no likeness to the way the game is played today.

    I consider Spahn to be the WIns leader. Bundle all the old-timers and put them in a bucket.

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  • 76collector76collector Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. The game has changed so much that 200 wins is the new 300

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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1) old timers 1920 and older 350 plus
    2) 1920 - 1990 300 plus
    3) 1991 until today,.. 250 plus

    I think 250 would guarantee you if you started pitching in 1991 - (mussina).

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  • 19591959 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭

    In the future there will be AI umpires and each team will be allowed 1 robot hitter and 1 robot t pitcher. And there will be separate stats for humans and robots. Many human records will be broken by the robots. You never know.

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1959 said:
    In the future there will be AI umpires and each team will be allowed 1 robot hitter and 1 robot t pitcher. And there will be separate stats for humans and robots. Many human records will be broken by the robots. You never know.

    Kinda reminds me of that awesome arcade football game Cyberball back in the 90's.

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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will the coaches be allowed to kick dirt and curse at the AI robot?

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  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭

    They already have robot hitters, they're called Designated Hitters.

  • azvikeazvike Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2023 11:45AM

    @olb31 said:
    verlander
    greinke
    scherzer
    kershaw
    wainwright
    hamels

    that's amazing to me to have so few pitchers with 150 wins. greinke wainwright and hamels are done and/or practically done.

    verlander is probably the last pitcher who will even have a 1% chance of winning 300 games for the remaining of mlb history.

    This is why I think C.C. Sabathia will get in...251 wins, 3000+ Strikeouts....load up on his best rookies...still affordable

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