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leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

This appeared on my laptop. I clicked on it and it took me to an ebay auction where the seller has 0 feedback. At first, I thought, what looked like a steel cent dated 1946 interested me into seeking more info on it. But it turned out to be garbage!
So....how does this fall into that category of something of importance that ends up as some kind of special news flash to the top of an internet browser, Microsoft Edge. Did I word it right?

Leo

The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the world of pattern matching,
    which some people call Artificial Intelligence.
    It's got a long ways to go before I call it that.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's an ad. It says so in the lower left.

    As others have said, your search history guides what ads you see.

    Clear your cookies to conceal your interests, or use a browser that doesn't track sites you've visited. Then the ads will be random or more generalized.

  • Glen2022Glen2022 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭

    Big Brother is listening, watching, following. Be careful.

  • FrankHFrankH Posts: 982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Glen2022 said:
    Big Brother is listening, watching, following. Be careful.

    So Cain slew Abel. :o

  • FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A phone spoof called me from my number—should I block me?

  • Do a Google search on Retail Bluetooth Beacons. Ads and pop ups on your phone are not random.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These can all be shut off and the setting on your phone can be made private. The most intrusive corporation is Alphabet aka Google. Watch some YouTube videos about data harvesting. It's disgusting. It's blatant spying.
    Where is Google located?
    California you say, well also Wahington D.C.
    I use DuckDuckGo and sometimes Google even though what they do makes me sick.
    Also Amazon they can turn your microphone on and listen in.
    They can turn your dam camera on. They know people who speak up about it sound crazy and they want it to stay that way. Do your research and you will be shocked.

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
    Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA
    Dantheman984 Toyz4geo SurfinxHI greencopper RWW bigjpst bretsan MWallace logger7

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2023 8:01AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @yosclimber said:
    Welcome to the world of pattern matching,
    which some people call Artificial Intelligence.
    It's got a long ways to go before I call it that.

    It's not AI. It is simply old school browser data collection. There's nothing new about this. Google et al know what sites you visit and they show you links (commercial and otherwise) based on what sites you've visited previously.

    I'm rather surprised the OP (and you?) haven't noticed it previously. It's been going on for 20 years.

    Yes, it's the "old school" version of AI.
    Same mechanism of pattern matching - you use a computer logit model to predict what people like to see,
    based on observed history.
    The term "Artificial Intelligence" has been around for a long time (like 1950), see
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2023 10:17AM

    @Conshyboy said:
    I swear your phone listens to your conversation many times when speaking of a off the wall subject, soon after or the next day articles on said subject appear in my news feed it has happened many times to me

    It absolutely does.
    Siri, Alexa, and all of those voice prompt programs/apps/gadgets can listen and harvest data and info. Facebook, TikTok… all that creepy modern stuff collect and share info. If it is not an app or program, bots crawl the internet and websites collecting identifying information. Sites like Reddit or even this one we are on now are information sources for bots.

    I value my privacy to a certain level and do not participate in social media, do not own an Alexa-computer-or laptop, I disabled Siri on my phone, I also turn off the location feature on my phone photos (it can literally show your location when taking pictures, where you are/were [showing your coins location :| ])

    I usually stay signed out of google on my phone, and when I do every page and click has a big banner about not being signed in, it blocks half the screen. They even sent me a message recently asking me why I browse while signed out all the time!

    On an iPhone you can pick and choose what you allow to be shared, in the Privacy section of settings. It is not entirely perfect or foolproof but is somewhat of a shield.

    This post quoted below is spot on!

    @150K said:
    These can all be shut off and the setting on your phone can be made private. The most intrusive corporation is Alphabet aka Google. Watch some YouTube videos about data harvesting. It's disgusting. It's blatant spying.
    Where is Google located?
    California you say, well also Wahington D.C.
    I use DuckDuckGo and sometimes Google even though what they do makes me sick.
    Also Amazon they can turn your microphone on and listen in.
    They can turn your dam camera on. They know people who speak up about it sound crazy and they want it to stay that way. Do your research and you will be shocked.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2023 1:07PM

    @yosclimber said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @yosclimber said:
    Welcome to the world of pattern matching,
    which some people call Artificial Intelligence.
    It's got a long ways to go before I call it that.

    It's not AI. It is simply old school browser data collection. There's nothing new about this. Google et al know what sites you visit and they show you links (commercial and otherwise) based on what sites you've visited previously.

    I'm rather surprised the OP (and you?) haven't noticed it previously. It's been going on for 20 years.

    Yes, it's the "old school" version of AI.
    Same mechanism of pattern matching - you use a computer logit model to predict what people like to see,
    based on observed history.
    The term "Artificial Intelligence" has been around for a long time (like 1950), see
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

    Generative AI does more than simply pattern match. I think it confuses the issue to put an AI tag on what is probably simple key word matching. They are/will probably use more AI engines moving forward. But you would get much better recommendations with AI.

    Would you say that a typewriter is an old school computer?

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2023 2:32PM

    The current big AI applications are built from a large number of individual logit models.
    Recommendations from browsers, youtube, tiktok, etc. are also built from individual logit models; they are just smaller models in terms of the number of estimated parameters/coefficients.

    I oversimplified when I described models as pattern matching, but that is the main basis.
    Logit models are compute a match score from estimated coefficients and current predictor variables (could be keyword matches or other things).
    And then a probability from the match score.

    Actually I was thinking that even older and simpler models like linear regressions (like Zillow estimated real estate values) are pretty much the same thing.
    They provide automated predictions for a large number of individual situations from models with coefficients estimated from data.
    The key aspect in my view is that there is no real human intervention; it's all automated.

    In the case that @leothelyon found, the prediction was way off.
    In this case probably because the predictor variables like "rare" keywords and a high asking price are manipulated by the seller to game the model.
    More predictor variables will generally improve the accuracy of the model, but the accuracy might still not be good enough to provide useful results.

    No, a typewriter is not an old school computer.
    My mother-in-law was an old school computer! :smile:
    She inverted matrices by hand for engineering calculations,
    like in the Hidden Figures movie.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've had good luck with the Firefox browser and Adblocker Plus on my computer. Also, I have relatively strong security settings and use private browing. I also use Firefox as the browser on my cell phone as well (Android OS). I very seldom see an ad except on websites where the ad is disguised as some sort of "news" in which case it is easily ignored.

    One more thing that helps - I use DuckDuckGo for searches instead of Google, Bing, etc. I haven't seen many ads as a result.

    We sure have been monetized. It seems like nearly everything is about milking somebody else for something....

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,130 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    The current big AI applications are built from a large number of individual logit models.
    Recommendations from browsers, youtube, tiktok, etc. are also built from individual logit models; they are just smaller models in terms of the number of estimated parameters/coefficients.

    I oversimplified when I described models as pattern matching, but that is the main basis.
    Logit models are compute a match score from estimated coefficients and current predictor variables (could be keyword matches or other things).
    And then a probability from the match score.

    Actually I was thinking that even older and simpler models like linear regressions (like Zillow estimated real estate values) are pretty much the same thing.
    They provide automated predictions for a large number of individual situations from models with coefficients estimated from data.
    The key aspect in my view is that there is no real human intervention; it's all automated.

    In the case that @leothelyon found, the prediction was way off.
    In this case probably because the predictor variables like "rare" keywords and a high asking price are manipulated by the seller to game the model.
    More predictor variables will generally improve the accuracy of the model, but the accuracy might still not be good enough to provide useful results.

    No, a typewriter is not an old school computer.
    My mother-in-law was an old school computer! :smile:
    She inverted matrices by hand for engineering calculations,
    like in the Hidden Figures movie.

    We used to do it all by hand.

    Funny story.

    I was mentoring a new colleague for the first class he's teaching. We were talking about how technology had changed Academia.

    He said, "I finished my undergrad in 2010. You were 2005? 2000?"

    I said,"I graduated in 1986."

    He's eyes got huge. I went back to talking about computers. He suddenly blurts out, " you're almost 60!"

    I said, "thanks for doing the math. "

    He said, "I never would have guessed. "

    I would have considered it a compliment except he felt that anyone my age should be dead or in a wheelchair. Lol

    We keep talking. I said, "waaay back when I was an undergrad..."

    He starts laughing and thinks he's going to make a joke, "you used typewriters!" And he mimics typing on a keyboard.

    I said, "actually, yes. But that's not what I was going to say. "

    I felt about 100 by the time the meeting was over.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somehow, I think that I have outed myself for the kind of coins I search for on ebay. What's in my collection attests that my standards are somewhat a bit higher. lol But I can't recall clicking on anything similar in a while to the roadkill that popped up on my laptop, I do remember a waffled stamped Jeff nickel, comes to mind.
    I guess the problem I was having, I've tried many avenues to get my collection noticed, from Twitter to Facebook to a 7-year itch with a personalized website and Coin Forums. But seeing such junk pop up on my screen just blew me away!

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Siri talks to me randomly. She says things like : “ that’s not nice”. I wonder how she knows ? She’s probably been talking to Heather.

  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GotTheBug said:
    I've had good luck with the Firefox browser and Adblocker Plus on my computer. Also, I have relatively strong security settings and use private browing. I also use Firefox as the browser on my cell phone as well (Android OS). I very seldom see an ad except on websites where the ad is disguised as some sort of "news" in which case it is easily ignored.

    One more thing that helps - I use DuckDuckGo for searches instead of Google, Bing, etc. I haven't seen many ads as a result.

    We sure have been monetized. It seems like nearly everything is about milking somebody else for something....

    AMEN BROTHER!
    I would also like to add that running a PI-Hole for your DNS helps a great deal as well.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2023 4:04AM

    How about an example of one individual being tracked.
    Take it for what it's worth. Believe me my privacy is everything to me. I have been through a lot with technology. Every key stroke, every phrase anything you look at or watch is harvested. If necessary might come bite you in the but.

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
    Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA
    Dantheman984 Toyz4geo SurfinxHI greencopper RWW bigjpst bretsan MWallace logger7

  • BobSavBobSav Posts: 937 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @yosclimber said:
    Welcome to the world of pattern matching,
    which some people call Artificial Intelligence.
    It's got a long ways to go before I call it that.

    It's not AI. It is simply old school browser data collection. There's nothing new about this. Google et al know what sites you visit and they show you links (commercial and otherwise) based on what sites you've visited previously.

    I'm rather surprised the OP (and you?) haven't noticed it previously. It's been going on for 20 years.

    A good friend of mine was telling me about a new job his son got. He's working for a company that employs several thousand people on the east and west coast to comb through the data that supermarkets and shopping clubs gather when you use the " membership" cards. They sell this info of what you buy to various other company's that keep track of sales, demographic etc etc. He said one of the new customers they had we several insurance companies. They were interested into to looking at the amount of alcohol , tobacco and OTC drugs that people were buying. I can only surmise that when you apply for life or auto insurance they will run you name through this list to check on your lifestyle,

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    Lordmarcovan, WTCG, YogiBerraFan, Phoenin21, LindeDad, Coll3ctor, blue594, robkoll, Mike Dixon, BloodMan, Flakthat and others.

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