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73 D possible DDO Kennedy, need help with id

I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters, i just dont know if this is a NEW variety, because i dont find the exact match on variety vista. let me know what any of you think , im leaning 1973 D DDO-001, BUT not for certain.


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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nulte said:
    I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite > clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters,.............

    I just want to say that doubled dies are not "hit at least 2 times". The die itself is doubled (die error). If the planchet is "hit" two times that's a double struck (striking error).

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check on Variety Vista

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    Really? We see it every day.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with @291fifth

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pictures aren't the best but it looks like a DDO to me. I think the one found in Mint Sets is the listing you referenced, but there are Kennedy guys in this forum who can give you a definitive answer. I used to have an example but I flipped it to another forum member who was building a comprehensive variety set.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    I agree with @291fifth

    @Steven59 said:

    @291fifth said:
    ( I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.)

    I guess sombodey should have mentioned this to John Wexler so he wouldn't have "wasted" all of his time!

    Yeah. Those silly VAMs. Hardly anyone cares about them.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    People can enjoy the hobby in whatever way suits them. That said, I'm a bit more old school and can appreciate die differences when the dies were individually punched by hand, pre-1840's etc.

  • steve76020steve76020 Posts: 367 ✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2023 12:28PM

    i love vams i have a 1923d vam3 i believe die crack from rim to neck on liberty

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nulte said:
    I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters, i just dont know if this is a NEW variety, because i dont find the exact match on variety vista. let me know what any of you think , im leaning 1973 D DDO-001, BUT not for certain.

    As @MWallace stated a ddo is not caused by a second strike.

    Your pictures make it hard to be certain (I'm not judging I'm a terrible photographer), but I do see the possible split serifs/notches you are referring to on the "D" and "T". However, I don't think it matches FS-101 (CONECA: DDO-001), Because I'm not seeing any doubling on the "R" or "S" in your photos. I'm not going to share the pics, because I don't want to break any copyright laws, but VarietyPlus ATS has some good pictures of DDO-001 to show you what I'm talking about.

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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2023 6:05PM

    @Steven59 said:

    @291fifth said:
    ( I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.)

    I guess sombodey should have mentioned this to John Wexler so he wouldn't have "wasted" all of his time!

    James Wiles also-Variety Vista is a complete "waste" of time. I do somewhat agree with you if you are talking about RPM's or minor double dies. A lot these are so minor that they ain't worth looking for. I collect the ones that are easy to see.

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  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @Nulte said:
    I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters, i just dont know if this is a NEW variety, because i dont find the exact match on variety vista. let me know what any of you think , im leaning 1973 D DDO-001, BUT not for certain.

    As @MWallace stated a ddo is not caused by a second strike.

    Your pictures make it hard to be certain (I'm not judging I'm a terrible photographer), but I do see the possible split serifs/notches you are referring to on the "D" and "T". However, I don't think it matches FS-101 (CONECA: DDO-001), Because I'm not seeing any doubling on the "R" or "S" in your photos. I'm not going to share the pics, because I don't want to break any copyright laws, but VarietyPlus ATS has some good pictures of DDO-001 to show you what I'm talking about.

    Thanks, i have checked out variety vista, and the only example they had with doubling as severe on the words was DDO-001. yeah, im horrible at picture taking through the plastic, FOR SURE, i just didnt want to remove from the govt package until i figured out what to do with it, have it graded, or not, flip it, or keep it. Kennedy half dollars are not my forte, i just happened to be checking a set i had out to check the Eisenhower dollar when i noticed it .Maybe ill go check again, ive got some cents i need to that i need to attribute still too. Thanks again

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭

    @MWallace said:

    @Nulte said:
    I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite > clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters,.............

    I just want to say that doubled dies are not "hit at least 2 times". The die itself is doubled (die error). If the planchet is "hit" two times that's a double struck (striking error).

    i know, my terminology was wrong, i know they are created in the die making process and the die is screwed up, and every coin from that die pair will be with the same doubling. thank you for clarification.

  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    To, numismatists anything they do concerning coins is not a waste of time or money. To me, golfing is a waste of time and money. But to a person that likes to golf, it is not. Lest remind that coin collecting is a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to cost money.
    I do not see how it is a waste of time and money to check your own coins for value.

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  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    You may want to check the 1973-D CONECA DDO-003. Does your coin have a die gouge next to the left side of R in DOLLAR?

  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    For the record, it is fun trying to track them all down, what else is there to do waiting for the next year's issue to come out?

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/varieties/calebs-kennedy-varieties-by-conecas-numbers/1165

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭


    not too sure, getting a lot of glare off the packaging though
    but maybe the second shot is better. i checked out CONECA, and thought about registering, but i did NOT check their listings, only the ones at variety vista.

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭




    i didnt see this one listed, at least i didnt see the exact coin, i mean. it is in the mint set, if that helps.

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭

    split on the B too. maybe an EDS they dont have photos of yet? or a new one,lol!

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭

    none of the ones shown, on variety vista, 6 of them, seem to have any 7s that looked like mine, and mine doesnt have doubling on the L or I that i can see> @UpGrayedd said:

    @Nulte said:
    I was checking out some of my mint sets, and i found this NICE 1973 D Kennedy half dollar, that has quite clearly been hit at least 2 times, as you can see the split serifs on the letters, i just dont know if this is a NEW variety, because i dont find the exact match on variety vista. let me know what any of you think , im leaning 1973 D DDO-001, BUT not for certain.

    As @MWallace stated a ddo is not caused by a second strike.

    Your pictures make it hard to be certain (I'm not judging I'm a terrible photographer), but I do see the possible split serifs/notches you are referring to on the "D" and "T". However, I don't think it matches FS-101 (CONECA: DDO-001), Because I'm not seeing any doubling on the "R" or "S" in your photos. I'm not going to share the pics, because I don't want to break any copyright laws, but VarietyPlus ATS has some good pictures of DDO-001 to show you what I'm talking about.

    i appreciate the nod towards variety vista, i think they will WANT to get photos of my coin to confirm EDS on one of the 6 DDO varietys. i THINK its an EDS DDO-001 after eyeball popping scrutiny, that was the only one that had anything funny on the 7. im working on CONECA ,trying to figure out what to do over there, about, letting them get it in their hands, or the Wexler and Wiles folks, if they wanted photos to update variety vista . THANKS again, and sorry for the terminology snafu.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rec78 said:

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    To, numismatists anything they do concerning coins is not a waste of time or money. To me, golfing is a waste of time and money. But to a person that likes to golf, it is not. Lest remind that coin collecting is a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to cost money.
    I do not see how it is a waste of time and money to check your own coins for value.

    There are a lot of hobbies that cost no money or very little money: reading, gardening, walking in the park, bird watching, etc.

  • NulteNulte Posts: 131 ✭✭

    @JFK_Collector said:

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    @291fifth said:
    I find it hard to believe that some of today's collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on this type of microscopic "variety", if it even is one.

    For the record, it is fun trying to track them all down, what else is there to do waiting for the next year's issue to come out?

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/varieties/calebs-kennedy-varieties-by-conecas-numbers/1165

    i think my coin might be the EDS DDO-001 confirmation coin. THEY DONT have pictures for. haha! yeah, RIGHT!

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