unused dates on Morgan/Peace dollars?
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I was just wondering- would it be legal for someone to make a Morgan or Peace dollar with a date that has not been used by the U.S. gov't.? Dates such as: 2022, 1905-1920, 1877, etc.
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Yes. In fact, a very talented forum member does exactly that. Just search “Dan Carr” and you will see a ton of threads about it.
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I never had any problems with any of his stuff either
Not if you're in China.
I remain skeptical about the legality. For decades, there were impossible fakes in SouthEast Asia: Wrong designs for the date. Wrong mint marks for the date. Etc. The hobby frowned on those and continues to frown on those.
In commerce, cashiers do not rely on date/mint mark combinations for verification. So arguing that a coin with an impossible date/ mint mark combination MUST be legal is highly speculative.
I suspect that if you make a 2023-CC quarter, for example, you will find the Feds at your door.
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Thanks for the info. It would be interesting if someone made a 2024 Morgan in this year, 2023; and then the US Mint decided to make a 2024 Morgan in 2024.
Yes, Dan Carr waited until 2023 to make a 2022 Morgan in case that happened.
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It wouldn't be interesting... In that case the feds would certainly confiscate them (as many as they could of course), and probably bring charges for counterfeiting. That is why Dan Carr doesn't do forward punches... Only past.
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good point
While I don't collect coins like that, don't see any harm in producing them. Nobody's trying to pass a Dan Carr coin in commerce, and anyone buying uncirculated coins of this type can be expected to know that, e.g., no Peace or Morgan dollars were made in 2022. No harm, no foul.
Be aware that there are many people who will give you definitive statements as to the legality or illegality of U.S. coin designs struck with dates never used by the U.S. Mint. As a rule, the majority of such people are giving you opinions rather than facts.
Do not go into business making such pieces without first obtaining competent LEGAL advice.
I think the reason Dan's pieces are legal is because he over strikes them on genuine US coins. I believe the hobby protection act allows for the "modification" of genuine coins as long as there's no intent to deceive. Dan just happens to "modify" the genuine coin by overstriking them.
So, I believe genuine coins that are "modified" with impossible dates are legal.
Genuine coins "modified" with genuine dates would be illegal because they're deceptive.
Metal disks that were never genuine coins made to look like genuine coins and/or impossible dates are illegal unless they contain the word "copy" because they didn't start out as genuine coins.
Here's the disclaimer on Dan's website:
By purchasing one or more of these, the buyer agrees to provide full disclosure of their origin when reselling them. Failure to provide potential buyers with complete and accurate information when offering these could result in criminal and/or civil fraud charges. In other words, don't try to sell to unaware buyers as original coins of this date.
Since these are over-struck on existing coins, there may be faint evidence of the original coin design showing since the over-strike is usually not perfectly aligned with the original strike.
Do not attempt to use these as legal tender. This product is NOT endorsed or approved by the US Mint, US Treasury, or US Government.