1871 3 cent cn variety?
Nulte
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looks like this 1871 3 cent i had in my collection is the variety known for the year 1871. too bad its not in better shape
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What about this coin makes you think it's a variety?
the whole legend is doubled, thats the only variety on the 1871 3 cent cn , i think
It appears that the OP is referring to the mechanical doubling around the letters.
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It's not a doubled die.
Try Googling "Longacre doubling".
Flat and shelf-like doubling = mechanical doubling. It is not an error.
go look on pcgs site, fs-101 kinda looks just like this? no?.
As @IkesT said, it is not shelf/mechanical doubling.
It is "Longacre doubling".
The extra outlines around the letters are on the hub,
caused by the punches going in extra deep.
This is also seen commonly on Indian cents.
is that called the fs-101(006) longacre doubling?
No - you don't have a variety at all, just a regular 1871 3 cent nickel.
ok, so its NOTthe variety plus VP-001?
and it IS or ISNT a listed variety?
Are you being serious, or is this an example of the trolling you said you were going to do?
looks like NGC VarityPlus lists it as an FS-101. , so if mine looks like that, whats the difference between that coin and mine? and
who is trolling whose message?
You tell me.
You already have your answer - your coin is not a variety.
It can't be a variety, because it is on the hub.
So it is the same on all dies.
Varieties are things that are different on different dies.
1871 FS-101 as described on NGC Variety Plus involves tripling on AMERICA.
You need a higher grade coin than yours to observe this.
what iare the fs-101, varietyplus vp-001? whats the difference,, if you could enlighten me, please, you seem to know about this process and are explaining a little better than, its not. well, why not? thank you for your patience, some just like to not be so forgiving or helpful, more hateful and discouraging. and i appreciate the time it takes to answer me
Who is being hateful? You have some attitude.
No one was ever hateful, stop being such a drama queen.
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No difference. Those are different IDs for the same thing:
This site is seeing another summer wave of alt photo trolls that all exclaim, "This is valuable variety (with murky images)! Prove me wrong! But if you do, I'll call you out for being nasty to me!"
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my coin looks like those doesnt it? if not whats the difference if you can tell from my lousy photos. thanks again
Here's a closer photo comparison.
On viewing this, I believe your photo and the grade of your coin are good enough to show your coin is not the FS-101.
The marker for the FS-101 that is easiest to see on lower grade coins is the extra outline on E which is well to the right.
Your coin does not have this.
The outlined letters on your coin is a better match to the PR-67+, which shows the standard "Longacre doubling"
on many of the letters.
Absolutely correct. Great breakdown of the coin and the other variety!
Often times a general answer is a coin must match “exactly” to the variety. This is so true, but we have seen a lot of posts like this where it “seems to match”. This is a difficult hobby if a collector is searching for microscopic varieties, fueled by YouTube videos on, “get rich with pocket change”. Here is a great example of how a coin needs to match exactly to the subject coin.
A series like this and varieties are not really found by general collectors. It takes a very deep study to find this stuff. It is incredibly unlikely there is a great variety that had more value to it found in regular collections or of course, in change.
The OP's coin has doubling all around the letters. The doubled die coin has the doubling in only one direction.
thank you for a more detailed explanation about the coin and the different markers to check for. i do not sell my coins, im just trying to catalog correctly, so my wife and kids wont have to wonder whats what when im gone, so they dont get taken for a ride. thank you for the INFORMATIVE KNOWLEDGE you have passed my way, i intend to study and learn, so i may be more informed myself. i appreciate your time taken to help
so the fs 101has doubling only to the right side of the letters? on the 1868 3cent cn is there a die break on the letter D in united? its not there on any of my 1867 or 69s thati have and was curious about that coin as well. youve been a great help explaining and helping me to understand the difference between longacre doubling and fs 101 on the 1871 3 cent. a ray of
light, and hope , you have renewed a feeling not everyone just wants to hate on me for not knowing ALL, and ask questions many think everybody should know already. some like to help, and i guess its just human nature for some to be NOT as helpful, and for some, like you, that take time to help, not discourage, are a ray of light in this darkening world. you have helped me a ton, THANK YOU AGAIN for the awesome, easy to process info!
You're welcome. I always knew I was a ray of light and hope, but it's nice to hear someone else say it.
That's nearly correct.
It has the Longacre doubling, which is on both sides of the letters,
plus wide doubling on E to the right, and tripling on RICA to the right.
I don't know.
The best book I know on 3CN is by Allan Gifford:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/555545
but he does not usually pay much attention to die breaks.
He is more into RPDs, DDOs and DDRs.
I don't see any 1868 3CN varieties listed on NGC VarietyPlus.
Are you referring to an 1868 3CN photo you posted?
I don't see it in this thread.
Your profile is set as private, so I can't easily see your other threads.
I have studied 1866 3CN varieties, and I do take note of die breaks.
Certainly there are some 1866 die varieties/die states with breaks through some of the letters of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And likely in other years as well.
An obverse die break from one date does not usually show up in later years,
because usually they toss out the used dated obverse dies from the old year and start with new obverse dies dated with the new year.
Thanks.
I'm kind of a die variety specialist, and it's easy for me to make photo overlays like the one I posted.