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Brent Out at PWCC

brad31brad31 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

Saw this on Sportscard Dad. The memo doesn’t seem to be vague and the usual thanks for the years of service if this paragraph is true.

Wonder if Fanatics changes the name.

I now have another source to buy cards.

Hope he stays away from the hobby but if history is a guide - the bad apples seem to come back.

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  • PSA9sPSA9s Posts: 22 ✭✭

    oh great. Fanatics is the new defacto arbiter of our hobbies ethical standards. another pious corporation sitting on their throne of morality telling us how they will clean up the hobby. call me in two years after these guys charge $40 for 2025 regular topps packs.

  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. Wonder if they saw something rotten to correct once they got control, he didn't fit in the new organization, this was the plan all along or they just wanted a clean slate.

    My guess is he's made a ton of money over the past few years so he'll be fine.

  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm looking at a vault service for part of my collection, I'm down to PWCC or PSA/Goldin.

    Mike
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    good, i hope he slinks away and never works in the hobby again.

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • GreenSneakersGreenSneakers Posts: 908 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2023 3:51PM

    I’ve seen hundreds of “he’s leaving to spend more time with his family” exit notices in my career. Very rarely is something disparaging. So much so, part of me thinks it might not be true. But if it is legit, they (1) have him dead to rights and (2) employees knew what was going on.

  • HarnessracingHarnessracing Posts: 281 ✭✭✭

    It’s not uncommon for the new ownership to purge leadership after a purchase. It was most likely negotiated from day 1 that he would stay on for a decided period of time for the transition. The transition is over

  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2023 7:22PM

    Good Riddance

  • CardGeekCardGeek Posts: 398 ✭✭✭

    @ndleo said:
    I'm looking at a vault service for part of my collection, I'm down to PWCC or PSA/Goldin.

    I'll hold your cards for you.

  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭

    👏

  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dudes manning the PWCC booth at the National were some massive individuals. Real “candy gram for Mongo” types.

    Kiss me once, shame on you.
    Kiss me twice.....let's party.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭

    @Nathaniel1960 said:
    Dudes manning the PWCC booth at the National were some massive individuals. Real “candy gram for Mongo” types.

    Did they answer to “me Mongo” ?

  • AANVAANV Posts: 323 ✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Personal feelings aside, he is a very smart guy. He perfected the sports card consignment model on eBay and built the first sports card vault. Haven’t heard the last of him.

    The hobby is better off without him. I will be respectful and leave it at that.

    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2023 6:47AM

    I don't know the guy but all the shilling accusations along with the other black eyes the hobby had with trimming and coloring is why I got completely out of high grade card collecting.

    As far as the vault service goes I believe that will save you money on paying taxes on auctions won? For flippers I can see that being an option that should be worthy of consideration but for a personal collection? Not a chance

  • 82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    I don't know the guy but all the shilling accusations along with the other black eyes the hobby had with trimming and coloring is why I got completely out of high grade card collecting.

    As far as the vault service goes I believe that will save you money on paying interest on auctions won? For flippers I can see that being an option that should be worthy of consideration but for a personal collection? Not a chance

    Did you mean saving sales tax?

    If one is doing cards for business they would have a re-sale certificate from their own state. So they have zero need for that type of loophole providing service

    IMHO I will have zero sympathy those looking to cheat their own states out of sales tax, in the case their cards are "lost", "damaged" or simply disappears if one of those services shuts down unexpectedly without warning. Although now that Fanatics has taken over the later is less likley than what was surely one of Brent contingency plans for the cards in the vault. Example send 'em all to the Caymens (or elsewhere) move there then sell them out side reach of US law and live nicely.

    Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact.

  • 82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AANV said:

    @grote15 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Personal feelings aside, he is a very smart guy. He perfected the sports card consignment model on eBay and built the first sports card vault. Haven’t heard the last of him.

    The hobby is better off without him. I will be respectful and leave it at that.

    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2023 6:54AM

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @perkdog said:
    I don't know the guy but all the shilling accusations along with the other black eyes the hobby had with trimming and coloring is why I got completely out of high grade card collecting.

    As far as the vault service goes I believe that will save you money on paying interest on auctions won? For flippers I can see that being an option that should be worthy of consideration but for a personal collection? Not a chance

    Did you mean saving sales tax?

    If one is doing cards for business they would have a re-sale certificate from their own state. So they have zero need for that type of loophole providing service

    IMHO I will have zero sympathy those looking to cheat their own states out of sales tax, in the case their cards are "lost", "damaged" or simply disappears if one of those services shuts down unexpectedly without warning. Although now that Fanatics has taken over the later is less likley than what was surely one of Brent contingency plans for the cards in the vault. Example send 'em all to the Caymens (or elsewhere) move there then sell them out side reach of US law and live nicely.

    Yes my apologies, I meant sales tax.

    I was just refering to what Ebay stated on their site, I've never sent anything to a vault so I'm not familiar with the service in its entirety

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @AANV said:

    @grote15 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Personal feelings aside, he is a very smart guy. He perfected the sports card consignment model on eBay and built the first sports card vault. Haven’t heard the last of him.

    The hobby is better off without him. I will be respectful and leave it at that.

    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    Wait, what? It seems very judgmental.

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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @perkdog said:
    I don't know the guy but all the shilling accusations along with the other black eyes the hobby had with trimming and coloring is why I got completely out of high grade card collecting.

    As far as the vault service goes I believe that will save you money on paying interest on auctions won? For flippers I can see that being an option that should be worthy of consideration but for a personal collection? Not a chance

    Did you mean saving sales tax?

    If one is doing cards for business they would have a re-sale certificate from their own state. So they have zero need for that type of loophole providing service

    IMHO I will have zero sympathy those looking to cheat their own states out of sales tax, in the case their cards are "lost", "damaged" or simply disappears if one of those services shuts down unexpectedly without warning. Although now that Fanatics has taken over the later is less likley than what was surely one of Brent contingency plans for the cards in the vault. Example send 'em all to the Caymens (or elsewhere) move there then sell them out side reach of US law and live nicely.

    Yes my apologies, I meant sales tax.

    I was just refering to what Ebay stated on their site, I've never sent anything to a vault so I'm not familiar with the service in its entirety

    It's been used as a tax haven/dodge for high end artwork, etc... for a very long time. It was only a matter of time before vaults found their way into the card collecting universe. It's a good idea if you're buying as a flip or investment and don't care about seeing the cards or don't want to worry about storing and protecting high value items.

  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two things can be true at once, Brent's marketplace idea helped the hobby grow. I know it helped me build my collection. He also let greed bring him down, which seems to be inherent in our hobby.

    I don't think a vault cheats any state of sales tax. If you don't take delivery of an item in a sales tax state, how is that state owed anything? The problem is with the state of Oregon and not the vault customer.

    Mike
  • AANVAANV Posts: 323 ✭✭✭

    @Cakes said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @AANV said:

    @grote15 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Personal feelings aside, he is a very smart guy. He perfected the sports card consignment model on eBay and built the first sports card vault. Haven’t heard the last of him.

    The hobby is better off without him. I will be respectful and leave it at that.

    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    Wait, what? It seems very judgmental.

    Well, there's a reason why the term holier-than-thou exists in our lexicon.

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AANV said:

    @Cakes said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @AANV said:

    @grote15 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Personal feelings aside, he is a very smart guy. He perfected the sports card consignment model on eBay and built the first sports card vault. Haven’t heard the last of him.

    The hobby is better off without him. I will be respectful and leave it at that.

    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    Wait, what? It seems very judgmental.

    Well, there's a reason why the term holier-than-thou exists in our lexicon.

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

    In general I like to respond with God bless and it usually stuns and stymies them. :D

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  • brad31brad31 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2023 10:57AM

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

    This is kind of an absurd argument. Brent is far from big oil and could easily and specifically be avoided. It would be akin to every corner gas station having their own oil well. One of those stations started putting water in the gas and damaged a bunch of customers cars. Holding accountable could absolutely put that station out of business and send an example to others. The hobby is small, cards are not a necessity like gas and we as customers continually say with our dollars “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2023 11:10AM

    @brad31 said:

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

    This is kind of an absurd argument. Brent is far from big oil and could easily and specifically be avoided. It would be akin to every corner gas station having their own oil well. One of those stations started putting water in the gas and damaged a bunch of customers cars. Holding accountable could absolutely put that station out of business and send an example to others. The hobby is small, cards are not a necessity like gas and we as customers continually say with our dollars “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

    I get your point about the hobby but we were not talking about Brent, we were talking about 82FootballWaxMemorys Post above:

    @AANV said:

    » show previous quotes
    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    @82FootballWaxMemorys Post said:

    » show previous quotes
    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.

    Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
  • brad31brad31 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I get your point about the hobby but we were not talking about Brent, we were talking about 82FootballWaxMemorys Post above:

    My mistake - sorry for the misunderstanding.

  • 82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cakes said:

    @brad31 said:

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

    This is kind of an absurd argument. Brent is far from big oil and could easily and specifically be avoided. It would be akin to every corner gas station having their own oil well. One of those stations started putting water in the gas and damaged a bunch of customers cars. Holding accountable could absolutely put that station out of business and send an example to others. The hobby is small, cards are not a necessity like gas and we as customers continually say with our dollars “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

    I get your point about the hobby but we were not talking about Brent, we were talking about 82FootballWaxMemorys Post above:

    @AANV said:

    » show previous quotes
    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    @82FootballWaxMemorys Post said:

    » show previous quotes
    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    No prob's I gets it. You are OK with whatever someone does as long as you make bank on their actions in some manner. Thus my comment.

    Ain't it amazing how Card Collectors love criminals. You know the type that excuses Brent's activities and who cheered Bill Maestro upon seeing him at a recent National. I'm sure some who have commented in this thread also have unabashed luv for Gary "Scissor-Hands" Moser. - as brad31 said “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

    Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @Cakes said:

    @brad31 said:

    Just imagine how he must feel about people using gasoline in their vehicles, knowing how we're all actively enabling what goes on in the oil industry.

    We're all doomed!

    This is kind of an absurd argument. Brent is far from big oil and could easily and specifically be avoided. It would be akin to every corner gas station having their own oil well. One of those stations started putting water in the gas and damaged a bunch of customers cars. Holding accountable could absolutely put that station out of business and send an example to others. The hobby is small, cards are not a necessity like gas and we as customers continually say with our dollars “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

    I get your point about the hobby but we were not talking about Brent, we were talking about 82FootballWaxMemorys Post above:

    @AANV said:

    » show previous quotes
    Be that as it may, he was the catalyst for allowing many people like me to never work again and have a very comfortable lifestyle off cardboard alone. And for that, I will always be grateful.

    @82FootballWaxMemorys Post said:

    » show previous quotes
    Hope that logic goes well for you, when its your time to settle up with the Lord.

    No prob's I gets it. You are OK with whatever someone does as long as you make bank on their actions in some manner. Thus my comment.

    Ain't it amazing how Card Collectors love criminals. You know the type that excuses Brent's activities and who cheered Bill Maestro upon seeing him at a recent National. I'm sure some who have commented in this thread also have unabashed luv for Gary "Scissor-Hands" Moser. - as brad31 said “go ahead and screw us - we don’t deserve better.”

    Nobody really cares until it affects them. I mean there are a lot of good people here that don't approve of the shenanigans like criminal theft by shilling auctions and doctoring cards but will still spend big money on high grade cards.

    Your post is a reminder to me why I don't have any interest in the high grade cards anymore,

    Give me well centered 3's and 4's over too gorgeous to be true 8,9 and 10"s

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