1974 pr70 CAM 10c
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i recently scored a pcgs graded 1974 PR70 Cameo dime, and i think i got a smokin deal on, what i think is a rarer coin than the PR79 DCAM, with 328 coins as opposed to 11 in the Cameo PR70. PR70 is a PERFECT coin and i WOULDNT take 2 1974 DCAM PR70's in trade. i guess i like the LOWER population coins, i actually have the ONLY 1973 MS60 silver eisenhower dollar graded by PCGS as of todays date
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Low PCGS pop doesn't necessarily mean it's rare, just that not many have been graded, particularly for modern coins.
I'm sure it's a really nice coin though.
Collector, occasional seller
It's a lower population coin likely because CAM coins for the date are less common and less valuable than the generally more desirable DCAM coins. However, if that floats you boat then go for it.
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i actually have the ONLY 1973 MS60 silver eisenhower dollar graded by PCGS as of todays date
But, you do understand there could be many more of them produced to knock out your pop 1 if you simply offered enough money to the owners of the “blue” 40% silver Ikes to submit their worst quality examples to PCGS. If enough money was offered, dealers could carefully drop their coins on the table 25 times until enough small “hits” made the coin grade drop to MS60.
Wondercoin
Your coin is EVEN RARER than the LEGENDARY PR79 DCAM!?
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PR70 DCAM, not PR79 DCAM, there are ONLY 11 perfect CAMEO graded and over 345 DEEP CAMEOS. And youre right, a dealer COULD drop a blue ike to damage enough to lower the grade to MS60 OR LOWER,, but intentional obvious damage would pull a details classification, i.e. scratched or cleaned etc? Plus, if it were me i would NOT damage ANY coin ,for a LOWER grade, but IM HAPPY that i can say, THATS MY COIN in the population report and itll be awhile before anyone sends in a raw 73 s silver ike, in a lower grade for grading, i think.. An expensive gamble and intentionally damaging a coin is unfathomable and beyond anything i would ever do to any coin
PLUS i won it for less than $35,s ago., i think , the auction record for a PR69 CAMEO is $666. Looking at it like that, i SCORED a grand slam! lol!
We had this discussion on another thread about lower grade circulated small dollar "rarities". Some people apparently just sat by the printed pops and don't really care about the reason. In that case, we had the proud owner of the only VF Sac $.
If we could find a few more of those people, it will be BRIEFLY profitable to submit your pocket change.
You don't have to make a 60. You just have to submit the 60s that already exist but aren't currently worth the cost of submission.
On ebay?
Looks like you paid the market price. 🎊
Rare, not rare...
POP ONE
peacockcoins
I found a corroded > @braddick said:
Mechanical error?
Not a Mechanical error, submitted before PCGS gave out cameo and deep cameo designations.
No.
PCGS didn't acknowledge CAMEO and DEEP CAMEO 'back in the day', thus this is a POP ONE as shortly after this one was graded PCGS opened up the designation.
peacockcoins
look again, that was a bid. all im saying, you can go buy a deep cameo version, ANYTIME, this is the first one sold by auction, and by the way, book says $100
i got a pop 1 coin from you
i would like to see one of the 10 others, and ill show you 25 of the deep cameos
beautiful quarter braddick, part of your green holdered set?
i like the old green holders too, seems like their standards were stricter back then, honest graded. or maybe the mint just stepped it up in quality control and bangs out better quality in quantity?
Pat: Did you see my new group on “MyCollect” …
https://www.mycollect.com/groups/monsterdcam
Good place to post your quarter for some discussion!
Wondercoin
‘’PR70 DCAM, not PR79 DCAM, there are ONLY 11 perfect CAMEO graded and over 345 DEEP CAMEOS. And youre right, a dealer COULD drop a blue ike to damage enough to lower the grade to MS60 OR LOWER,, but intentional obvious damage would pull a details classification, i.e. scratched or cleaned etc? Plus, if it were me i would NOT damage ANY coin ,for a LOWER grade, but IM HAPPY that i can say, THATS MY COIN in the population report and itll be awhile before anyone sends in a raw 73 s silver ike, in a lower grade for grading, i think.. An expensive gamble and intentionally damaging a coin is unfathomable and beyond anything i would ever do to any coin’’
In the case of horrible quality blue MS Ikes, “intentional obvious damage” can look almost identical to “Govt. made obvious damage”.
But, other are correct as well. There are enough “beat up” coins still in blue packs that one might not even need to “assist” with an MS60 grade for quite a while.
Wondercoin
yeah,,i get it, they made a TON of blue pack ikes, i wasnt talking about the ike being RARE, i was referring the PR70 CAMEO dime, and i was just stating the fact that i like being able to go to population and see MY COIN. i dont have much, but i GOT THAT ONE coin, and if somebody else wanted to take a chance, i like having counterparts, or a 1 of 2 lol!
It's the same thing. A cameo dime is inferior to the deep cameo as it isn't fully frosted. As a result, people don't submit cameo quality dimes.
that original post is confusing first what is a pr 79 and why would you not take two pr70 dimes for one pr70 dime all same date?? 2 for 1 of same date,grade everything coins is a good deal
sorry, obviously a typo, but i stated i would NOT take 2 pr70 deep cameos of which there are over 340+ available in trade for my pr70 Cameo, of which there are only 11. if you were trying to assemble a cameo set, at present, with only 11 dimes graded pr70 Cameo, by both pcgs and ngc, ngc has ZERO perfect pr70 cameos graded. plus, you can go to ebay and FIND the pr70 deep cameos, mine is the ONLY ONE sold onn ebay, and the auction record is for a pr69 cameo, is $666. , NO AUCTION RESULTS FOR THE PR70 CAMEO. no way id swap a one of 11 population for 2 of 340, or 1 of 170, if you will. ive never heard of a pr79 coin either so sorry for the typo confusion.
market was asleep, my auction. win, auction record for pr69 cameo $666, no record of pr70 cameo ever offered. pcgs price guide is low at $100, i feel, but ill take it for 1/3 book value, ALL DAY LONG for a super low pop PERFECT coin.
One niche area I collect is Cameo proof and SMS coinage from 1950-1970. For that era Cameo and DCAM/UCAM coins were the exception to the rule (that these coins were primarily brilliant only, with no contract between the fields and the devices).
As one progressed from the early 1950's forward production technology, the skill set of the mint employees and collector demand operated to not only increase the production level for these coins but also increased the quality of the coins. As you get into the 1960's and then into the 1970-1972 time period more Cameos were produced (but they still remain a small percentage of the total production).
My understanding is that starting in about 1973 production technology at the mint changed from the production of coinage dies and were pickled in an acid bath (to create a frosted surface) and thereafter polished (to leave mirrored fields and frosted recesses on the dies that struck the coins) to one where the dies were prepared and then hardened by plating the dies (with chrome?). This change in production technology resulted in more and more coins produced by a single pair of dies being Cameos. As a result the number of Cameos and DCAM/UCAM coins produced increased and the number of brilliant coins decreased. Eventually production methods became so good that for the last 40+ years all coins produced are of DCAM/UCAM quality.
The above has resulted in a reversal of the way things were in the 1950's through about 1972 (brilliant coins the rule, Cameos the exception).
Contrarian collectors may choose to seek out coins that are the exception. In post 1972 proof coinage that would mean looking for high grade brilliant coins instead of Cameo or DCAM/UCAM coins. Eventually even Cameo coins would become the exception (as the majority of coins produced are DCAM/UCAM).
I have never seen a 1977 proof set made up solely of brilliant coins. For the years 1973-1976 the number of these coins graded by PCGS (and NGC) as brilliant coins are minimal. For 1977 forward Coinfacts only has information about DCAM examples of proof coins. For 1973-1976, if you look at Trueview photos of PF69 examples of these coins you will see that many of them have obverses that would warrant a Cameo designation and reverses that do not. Examples that are 100% brilliant on both sides are not easily found.
As for the OP's graded PR70CAM coin (of which there are only 11) I would likely prefer it to the same coin graded PF70DCAM (of which there are 340). I suggest that the OP try to find and acquire the same coin graded PF70 (if it exists). Those two coins would be nice bookend conversation pieces.
AWESOME info for ALL to read. not all collectors are aware of mint production practices, and WHEN the proof coinage got to be the deep cameos as the norm, not exception. i KNEW the transition in production quality was early to mid 1970s. THANK YOU for at least validating its rarity, and worth, as you see it , in your eyes, TO YOU, that you would RATHER the PR70 Cameo over the Deep Cameo,plus with an auction record price for the pr69cameo of $666, id say i hit a GRAND SLAM home run! either that, or multiple bidders got in a bidding war and went nuts enough over it, and or the coin i got slipped under everyones radar who collect cameos, not being advertised better.. i couldnt believe it, when i won it, and im GLAD im NOT the only person who FEELS THAT WAY. quite nicely put, in an informative and intelligent, concurring opinion that will hopefully dull the naysayers assault on me, and my thoughts that 1 of 11 is more rare than 1 of 340 on a perfect struck coin
Yes, it was an an awesome post but I don't think you understand what he was conveying to you. I'm guessing that's probably deliberate.
No. I think he really didn't understand