Someone is about to get ripped off by Goodwill

JordanCollector

Was browsing the app. They are selling a "1986 Fleer Jordan rookie" right now, unauthenticated. As Is. Clearly it is an obvious reprint. Check it out.
Item #171667450.
Its at 2000 dollars.

Feel bad for whoever is gonna buy it. Case of buyer beware.

Ironmanfan

anyone that would purchase an iconic card like that at ShopGoodwill deserves to get f&#*ed

IMF

GroceryRackPack

@Ironmanfan said:
anyone that would purchase an iconic card like that at ShopGoodwill deserves to get f&#*ed

IMF

hey Ironmanfan,
You get an agree, a like, and a laugh out loud on that one...
That was Pretty Good...

GroceryRackPack

let me get the black light going for this one...

JolleyWrencher

Is it too late to retract my bid? 😉

JordanCollector

@Ironmanfan said:
anyone that would purchase an iconic card like that at ShopGoodwill deserves to get f&#*ed

IMF

Indeed. That is so true. Haha

JordanCollector

@GroceryRackPack said:
let me get the black light going for this one...

Oh oh oh! Thats at least a PSA 9, probably a 10. I think I can see the bubble gum stain on the front even better!!!

JordanCollector

I just got an email from Goodwill in response to an email i sent them.

[ticket closed]
(My name), thanks for reaching out with
your opinion. We did state the item
has not been authenticated, and
we also accept returns should the
customer who purchases have the
tem authenticated and it not be real.

its at 2,500 dollars right now.

82FootballWaxMemorys

@JordanCollector said:
I just got an email from Goodwill in response to an email i sent them.

[ticket closed]
(My name), thanks for reaching out with
your opinion. We did state the item
has not been authenticated, and
we also accept returns should the
customer who purchases have the
tem authenticated and it not be real.

its at 2,500 dollars right now.

Translation: if we at goodwill can get away with a little good ol' fashioned fraud so be it!

jay0791

I strongly disagree. Nobody deserves to get screwed. Ok, so a newbie or just uneducated has bid. Maybe someone is buying for a gift for someone and has never even bought a card. I say shame on the seller. He has at this point has enough input to realize something is off with the card.

craig44

I would be very surprised if someone who had never purchased a sportscard before would make a $2500+ card their first purchase.

JordanCollector

I agree. I juat bitched them ou> @jay0791 said:

I strongly disagree. Nobody deserves to get screwed. Ok, so a newbie or just uneducated has bid. Maybe someone is buying for a gift for someone and has never even bought a card. I say shame on the seller. He has at this point has enough input to realize something is off with the card.

Its beyond redic they are allowing the item to be auctioned off still. Ive provided them the reason WHY it is fake and told them to compare the back with an authentic graded card.

JordanCollector

I agree. I juat bitched them out competely. Th> @craig44 said:

I would be very surprised if someone who had never purchased a sportscard before would make a $2500+ card their first purchase.

You have way to much faith in the human race. Plus, there are 29 bids already on the card.

BBBrkrr

It's admirable that you're trying to stop a rip-off from happening, whether it's intentional or not on the part of Goodwill.

To give them credit they probably don't know whether it's fake or not, how to judge it or even if they should. For all they know you're trying to cut out buyers so you can get a deal. At some point they have to take responsibility for selling fake stuff and educate themselves better.

jay0791

I get the possibility that a first-time card purchaser has spent that kind of money. I know of 2 cases personally (as gifts for hubby) and one was for $5K. The Ebay guarantee will put a stop to this anyways.

waxman2745

@BBBrkrr said:
It's admirable that you're trying to stop a rip-off from happening, whether it's intentional or not on the part of Goodwill.

To give them credit they probably don't know whether it's fake or not, how to judge it or even if they should. For all they know you're trying to cut out buyers so you can get a deal. At some point they have to take responsibility for selling fake stuff and educate themselves better.

I agree, they need to educate themselves better on something like this before they auction it off. If they do a quick search on the 86 Fleer Jordan they would see that this card is notorious for being counterfeited.

I feel that what Goodwill is doing by auctioning this card is similar to someone auctioning a diamond ring that could have a cubic zirconium stone.

secretstash

@jay0791 said:
I get the possibility that a first-time card purchaser has spent that kind of money. I know of 2 cases personally (as gifts for hubby) and one was for $5K. The Ebay guarantee will put a stop to this anyways.

It's not on ebay. It will be up to the buyer to figure out it isn't real and then try to dispute it with Goodwill...

jay0791

Ohhh
that does change things......

JordanCollector

@BBBrkrr said:
It's admirable that you're trying to stop a rip-off from happening, whether it's intentional or not on the part of Goodwill.

To give them credit they probably don't know whether it's fake or not, how to judge it or even if they should. For all they know you're trying to cut out buyers so you can get a deal. At some point they have to take responsibility for selling fake stuff and educate themselves better.

I always try to be admirable in life and to do whats "right" and I did educate them. I gave them point by point on how it was a fake.

I ripped em bad in an email after they responded. Waiting to see what they say or IF they say. This type of shit really bothers me. But all i can do is try.

JordanCollector

@secretstash said:

@jay0791 said:
I get the possibility that a first-time card purchaser has spent that kind of money. I know of 2 cases personally (as gifts for hubby) and one was for $5K. The Ebay guarantee will put a stop to this anyways.

It's not on ebay. It will be up to the buyer to figure out it isn't real and then try to dispute it with Goodwill...

Goodwill is not taking any responsibilty in the response they gave me, thats clear and in the poat.

What I dont like is they are titling the auction as it is the rookie and kind of in the description by stating the following.

"Item Attributes
Graded: No
Sport: Basketball
CONDITION:Used
1986 Fleer Michael Jordan Basketball Rookie Card #57.
It is in Very Good Condition.
Disclaimer
YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO READ THE FOLLOWING DESCRIPTION BEFORE BIDDING
PRODUCTS DISCLAIMER: Please note that all items listed have been donated. Lots are unsorted, unless therwise noted. We do our best to ensure the quality of all our auctions. Please remember we are not experts in any field. Items may contain unseen flaws not noted in the description. All items are sold AS IS. If you need further information about an item, please."

They arent taking any responsibility. But i am an expert (obv they wouldnt know tho.l And they ARENT ensuring the quality of the auction after being guided that they ARE wrong in stating IT IS a 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie card.

JordanCollector

I just got this email from Goodwill Ecommerce. Not the store itself. The bigger company.

They didnt even look at the auction. Haha.
This is th response:

"Hello, unfortunately this is an untested item so its not certain if it powers on or has any further functions. Please keep this in mind when bidding. Thank
You Goodwill Ecommerce."

Wowwwwwwwww.

Theres a Non-Profit for ya folks.

gemint

@JordanCollector said:
I just got this email from Goodwill Ecommerce. Not the store itself. The bigger company.

They didnt even look at the auction. Haha.
This is th response:

"Hello, unfortunately this is an untested item so its not certain if it powers on or has any further functions. Please keep this in mind when bidding. Thank
You Goodwill Ecommerce."

Wowwwwwwwww.

Theres a Non-Profit for ya folks.

Translation - This card is so fake it needs to be powered on in order to see the image!

BBBrkrr

@JordanCollector said:
I just got this email from Goodwill Ecommerce. Not the store itself. The bigger company.

They didnt even look at the auction. Haha.
This is th response:

"Hello, unfortunately this is an untested item so its not certain if it powers on or has any further functions. Please keep this in mind when bidding. Thank
You Goodwill Ecommerce."

Wowwwwwwwww.

Theres a Non-Profit for ya folks.

I'd bet you there are a lot of people making some good money even though it's a non-profit.

swish54

I would like to know the backstory on why Goodwill even got a card like this. Was it found in a box of other misc. stuff that was donated? Did it get donated by itself? Did the person buy it thinking it was real, and when they got it, it was a fake, so now they are trying for a big tax write-off by donating it? So many questions with no answers.

82FootballWaxMemorys

Legalities aside they are morally and ethically bankrupt.

GreenSneakers

@swish54 said:
Did the person buy it thinking it was real, and when they got it, it was a fake, so now they are trying for a big tax write-off by donating it?

That's a pretty good guess and what I would bet. The alternative is guy bought a real Jordan (perhaps raw, subsequently authenticated), and donates the fake one claiming the deduction.

Almost certainly the donor knows its fake and one of the two tax plays is the motivation.

JordanCollector

@GreenSneakers said:

@swish54 said:
Did the person buy it thinking it was real, and when they got it, it was a fake, so now they are trying for a big tax write-off by donating it?

That's a pretty good guess and what I would bet. The alternative is guy bought a real Jordan (perhaps raw, subsequently authenticated), and donates the fake one claiming the deduction.

Almost certainly the donor knows its fake and one of the two tax plays is the motivation.

@GreenSneakers said:

@swish54 said:
Did the person buy it thinking it was real, and when they got it, it was a fake, so now they are trying for a big tax write-off by donating it?

That's a pretty good guess and what I would bet. The alternative is guy bought a real Jordan (perhaps raw, subsequently authenticated), and donates the fake one claiming the deduction.

Almost certainly the donor knows its fake and one of the two tax plays is the motivation.

Interesting!!!!

JordanCollector

Its up to 3,000. 8 hours left.

jimq

What happens if you bid a real high price and then just don't pay? Maybe you would catch the right person's attention?

JordanCollector

@jimq said:
What happens if you bid a real high price and then just don't pay? Maybe you would catch the right person's attention?

The auction is pver. Someone just picked this flawless reprint for 3801.00.

RonSportscards

Now we wait for the new member thread "Is this Jordan rookie real or fake?"

daltex

@RonSportscards said:
Now we wait for the new member thread "Is this Jordan rookie real or fake?"

Not likely. I doubt a newbie would have bid $3801 if he had doubts.

GreenSneakers

@craig44 said:
I would be very surprised if someone who had never purchased a sportscard before would make a $2500+ card their first purchase.

I’ve been on this earth a long time, and if I’ve learned one thing, it’s that intelligence and wealth are not always correlated.

JordanCollector

@GreenSneakers said:

@craig44 said:
I would be very surprised if someone who had never purchased a sportscard before would make a $2500+ card their first purchase.

I’ve been on this earth a long time, and if I’ve learned one thing, it’s that intelligence and wealth are not always correlated.

Bingo. All the folk saying a newbie wouldnt just bid have far far too much faith in humanity.

jimq

JordanCollector thanks for doing all you could to prevent this. It's too bad places like Goodwill and ebay make it hard for honest people to prevent fraud. I guess the dollar comes first.

JordanCollector

@jimq said:
JordanCollector thanks for doing all you could to prevent this. It's too bad places like Goodwill and ebay make it hard for honest people to prevent fraud. I guess the dollar comes first.

Man, i tried. I really did. You'd think a "non-profit" with the name GOODWILL would have done the right thing and pulled the damn auction.

Sad state the world is in. Sad system we all contribute to and allow to continue.

Ironmanfan

I hope that the high bidder has no intention of paying & just got involved to ensure no one else won.

IMF

82FootballWaxMemorys

@JordanCollector said:

@jimq said:
JordanCollector thanks for doing all you could to prevent this. It's too bad places like Goodwill and ebay make it hard for honest people to prevent fraud. I guess the dollar comes first.

Man, i tried. I really did. You'd think a "non-profit" with the name GOODWILL would have done the right thing and pulled the damn auction.

Sad state the world is in. Sad system we all contribute to and allow to continue.

Most of what they take in is funneled to administrative expenses and bonus' for the top rung of the org. It's not United Way type crooked but it's nowhere in any fashion near American Red Cross altruistic.