ANA Dealer Day Monday August 7

MrEureka

Dealer Day tables are available at an extra fee to any dealer taking a table for the main event, which starts the next day. And according to the ANA website, the Dealer Day bourse may only be visited by dealers “who have a tax id or business number and have paid for their admission”.

Some questions.

First, based on past years, how strictly enforced is the restriction to Dealer Day bourse entry? Would the ANA really turn away 50 year members and well known collectors because they’re not dealers?

Second, how many dealers actually take tables for Dealer Day? Is it more like a sparsely attended PNG Day of the past, or is it more like a bustling “set up day” of a major show?

And third, what do you think of the arrangement? Personally, I prefer shows with short set up periods and that open with a big rush from the public, so I certainly don’t favor any arrangement that restricts access for a whole day. But that’s just my opinion.

PeakRarities

I was unaware that there was a dealer day on Monday. I assumed that “dealer day” was Tuesday afternoon. Being someone who pays $150 for early bird access on Tuesday and early morning access to the bourse on the other days, the fact that there’s an earlier dealer day on Monday detracts from the value of the early bird badge, imo.

Sunshine Rare Coins

I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

pruebas

@MrEureka said:
Would the ANA really turn away 50 year members and well known collectors because they’re not dealers?

Of course they would. But you knew that.

And it’s probably security doing the turning away, at the direction of the ANA.

MrEureka

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

NJCoin

@MrEureka said:

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

And, I'm sure the answer is yes, because it's not about the $150. It's about having an exclusive thing for dealers, who are a much more important constituency for them than old time, or new, collectors. No matter what they say. Go by what they do. Collectors are invited to buy from their dealers at retail, not to compete with them for newps at Dealer Day.

Collectors are supposed to be an important focus, but it's dealers who pay the bills. They don't want to compete with collectors who happily paid $150 to become dealers for a day when conducting a wholesale business before the show, and the ANA is accommodating them. Hence, the requirement that you also have a corporate tax ID.

MrEureka

@NJCoin said:

@MrEureka said:

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

And, I'm sure the answer is yes, because it's not about the $150. It's about having an exclusive thing for dealers, who are a much more important constituency for them than old time, or new, collectors. No matter what they say. Go by what they do. Collectors are invited to buy from their dealers at retail, not to compete with them for newps at Dealer Day.

Collectors are supposed to be an important focus, but it's dealers who pay the bills. They don't want to compete with collectors who happily paid $150 to become dealers for a day when conducting a wholesale business before the show, and the ANA is accommodating them. Hence, the requirement that you also have a corporate tax ID.

That sounds plausible, but I’m not convinced that most dealers prefer this arrangement. I’m also not sure that the ANA knows what dealers want.

Speaking for myself, I paid up for my Dealer Day table not because I like the idea, and not because I want to keep anyone off the bourse, but because it was the best available option.

1madman

@MrEureka said:

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

Oh you mean have the ANA accumulate money for their organization in a meaningful way where there is value added for certain collectors & dealers, versus raising membership costs for everyone who basically get nothing for those costs. Stop being so logical for a failing organization.

golden

Not a fan of this arrangement.

NJCoin

@MrEureka said:

@NJCoin said:

@MrEureka said:

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

And, I'm sure the answer is yes, because it's not about the $150. It's about having an exclusive thing for dealers, who are a much more important constituency for them than old time, or new, collectors. No matter what they say. Go by what they do. Collectors are invited to buy from their dealers at retail, not to compete with them for newps at Dealer Day.

Collectors are supposed to be an important focus, but it's dealers who pay the bills. They don't want to compete with collectors who happily paid $150 to become dealers for a day when conducting a wholesale business before the show, and the ANA is accommodating them. Hence, the requirement that you also have a corporate tax ID.

That sounds plausible, but I’m not convinced that most dealers prefer this arrangement. I’m also not sure that the ANA knows what dealers want.

Speaking for myself, I paid up for my Dealer Day table not because I like the idea, and not because I want to keep anyone off the bourse, but because it was the best available option.

???? You're losing me. The show is all about dealers. Why would they do it if dealers didn't want it?

Who would then benefit from limiting participation and revenue, if not dealers who want a day to conduct wholesale business without the distraction of having to deal with the public? The ANA, losing $150 per willing head? Collectors denied an opportunity to attend?

If you don't like the idea, who put a gun to your head and forced you to take a table? If you are not a buyer, I get why you wouldn't mind having collectors compete with dealers for your items on Dealer Day. Do you get why your fellow dealers want a day to themselves before the unwashed masses swarm the convention center?

I'm not a dealer, vest pocket or otherwise, and I have plenty of issues with how the ANA is run. But I get that dealers are a more important constituency to them than I am, and I don't begrudge the dealers an exclusive day to themselves at the annual convention before I am admitted. I also don't doubt that important, powerful people want this, and benefit from it, and that that's why it happens.

MrEureka

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@NJCoin said:

@MrEureka said:

@NJCoin said:

@MrEureka said:

@UltraHighRelief said:
I'd rather look at the auction lots on Monday which is free, instead of paying $150 for entry into Dealer Day.

To be blunt, I’m more concerned about the ANA turning away collectors who would happily pay $150 to attend Dealer Day. 😉

And, I'm sure the answer is yes, because it's not about the $150. It's about having an exclusive thing for dealers, who are a much more important constituency for them than old time, or new, collectors. No matter what they say. Go by what they do. Collectors are invited to buy from their dealers at retail, not to compete with them for newps at Dealer Day.

Collectors are supposed to be an important focus, but it's dealers who pay the bills. They don't want to compete with collectors who happily paid $150 to become dealers for a day when conducting a wholesale business before the show, and the ANA is accommodating them. Hence, the requirement that you also have a corporate tax ID.

That sounds plausible, but I’m not convinced that most dealers prefer this arrangement. I’m also not sure that the ANA knows what dealers want.

Speaking for myself, I paid up for my Dealer Day table not because I like the idea, and not because I want to keep anyone off the bourse, but because it was the best available option.

???? You're losing me. The show is all about dealers. Why would they do it if dealers didn't want it?

Who would then benefit from limiting participation and revenue, if not dealers who want a day to conduct wholesale business without the distraction of having to deal with the public? The ANA, losing $150 per willing head? Collectors denied an opportunity to attend?

If you don't like the idea, who put a gun to your head and forced you to take a table? If you are not a buyer, I get why you wouldn't mind having collectors compete with dealers for your items on Dealer Day. Do you get why your fellow dealers want a day to themselves before the unwashed masses swarm the convention center?

I'm not a dealer, vest pocket or otherwise, and I have plenty of issues with how the ANA is run. But I get that dealers are a more important constituency to them than I am, and I don't begrudge the dealers an exclusive day to themselves at the annual convention before I am admitted. I also don't doubt that important, powerful people want this, and benefit from it, and that that's why it happens.

Well, the show isn't "all about dealers", and I'm sure you know that. But "Why would they do it if dealers didn't want it?" I don't know. Heck, I don't even know that the ANA knows what the dealers want. They certainly never asked me what I want, and I've been setting up at ANA conventions since 1980. Anyway, I'm sure some dealers like the arrangement and others don't. And I think it's a really safe bet that virtually all of the dealers who choose NOT to set up on Dealer Day DON'T like it. And that a fair number of those who do take the table, myself included, don't like it but do it anyway, because we don't want to miss anything on the first day of the show.

BStrauss3

There you go, being logical, instead of trotting out the same old tired pony every time certain words are uttered.