Confederate Cents (Restrikes) Bringing up an earlier topic.

Piano1

Hi, Guys.

Messing around in the "Mystery/Junk Box" again today because it's raining cats, dogs, and Moose here in NH, I came up with a bit of a mystery item. I have seen a zillion photos of "Confederate Cent Restrikes" but I have only seen what I believe mine may be in a post from Wood5g from October 29, 2021. Wood 5g, if you're still out there, or if anyone could educate me, I'd sure appreciate it. I don't know how to link that excellent post to mine here.

Anyway, Just about all the photos I've seen are of restrikes with "1 CENT" on the reverse. My coin has the denomination written as a fraction with 1 directly over 100. Is this just another common restrike or is there some legitimacy to this one ...an authorized restrike for some reason...or whatever?

I apologize for the photo quality but I'm little by little improving...I think!

Thanks so much. Be well, stay dry!

Piano 1

I hope the photos aren't too huge!!

JBK

It's a fantasy token.

I've seen similar on ebay over the years.

TomB

These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

CaptHenway

@TomB said:
These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

Agreed that the design is a fantasy created in the 1950's. There are other fantasies made at the same time with their denominations given as a fraction like this. However, this may be a replica of the one cent fantasy design made at a later date.

flyguyfl

I have a Restrike of a 1862 cent that has the same observe but a far different reverse. Original dies made by Robert Lovett of PA for Confederates. Afraid he may get arrested by the federal government he buried the dies until the war ended. He tried to restrike more after the war and the dies broke after the 59th piece
Dies now in Smithsonian.

True? Don't even recall when and how I acquired the cent but have drug it around for many years.

tokenpro

Robert Lovett,** Junior** did cut the dies and the dies are in the Smithsonian.

Piano1

No matter what question I post, I get terrific, educational, and interesting replies. Much appreciated and thanks!!!!

Piano1

Crypto

@TomB said:
These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

Aren’t all confederate cents one degree of fantasy strikes or another. The only separation is the cloudy connection to the original coin dealer that “found” them well after the civil war. Even the story concocted back then has them made in Philadelphia by a drunk with no documentable connection to the confederacy or even the timing of the actual war.

I have always been mystified why these are so accepted without any due diligence or scholarship. A coin dealer going look what I found during a National period of nostalgia, don’t worry about the back story and fear not I have the dies too! Is hardly compelling evidence.

Zoins

@TomB said:
These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

I believe there are a few variations of the 1/100 denomination product.

I once saw a lead die trial in a collection with other lead trials from Whitehead & Hoag. The Whitehead & Hoag brand was used until 1965 so it's possible at least some of these are from that company.

CaptHenway

@Crypto said:

@TomB said:
These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

Aren’t all confederate cents one degree of fantasy strikes or another. The only separation is the cloudy connection to the original coin dealer that “found” them well after the civil war. Even the story concocted back then has them made in Philadelphia by a drunk with no documentable connection to the confederacy or even the timing of the actual war.

I have always been mystified why these are so accepted without any due diligence or scholarship. A coin dealer going look what I found during a National period of nostalgia, don’t worry about the back story and fear not I have the dies too! Is hardly compelling evidence.

The Internet was terrible back in the 1870's. People could say anything and other people would have a hard time contradicting them!

PerryHall

@CaptHenway said:

@Crypto said:

@TomB said:
These aren't restrikes, but are instead fantasy issues produced in the 1950s.

Aren’t all confederate cents one degree of fantasy strikes or another. The only separation is the cloudy connection to the original coin dealer that “found” them well after the civil war. Even the story concocted back then has them made in Philadelphia by a drunk with no documentable connection to the confederacy or even the timing of the actual war.

I have always been mystified why these are so accepted without any due diligence or scholarship. A coin dealer going look what I found during a National period of nostalgia, don’t worry about the back story and fear not I have the dies too! Is hardly compelling evidence.

The Internet was terrible back in the 1870's. People could say anything and other people would have a hard time contradicting them!

Like Abraham Lincoln once said "You can't believe everything you read on the internet."

SaorAlba

Here is one of the 1862 fantasies:

Not sure where we got these, it was a long time ago probably some tourist trap place somewhere. My brother kept this as a pocket piece giving it the circulation wear.