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1801 NC-2 Large Cent (??)

opportunityopportunity Posts: 984 ✭✭✭✭

I will admit that I'm not sure yet, but I am kind of optimistic. I plan to spend to time with it to contemplate...any thoughts?

Confirmed NC-2: https://www.icollector.com/1801-NC-2-R7-Basal-State-1_i8599438

In question..

Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.


  • RLSnapperRLSnapper Posts: 449 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well you made me dig out my Penny Whimsy for this one. It appears to be Obverse 6...the first 1 being pointed. The reverse has what appears to be the die break obliterating 2/3 of the final S in States and continuing to the O in OF. The coin you linked shows a die break in a similar area. I am no expert like you but it would be worth getting a TPG opinion for this coin. My guess is there is too much damage for a conclusive opinion but an EAC guru could probably tell you for sure.

  • opportunityopportunity Posts: 984 ✭✭✭✭


    Anyone else have any thoughts? lol...

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I mean, maybe? There is so little left on both your coin and the reference coin you linked, it's hard to be completely sure, but I think I see the same reverse die break on both. Is that reverse paired with any other obverses, because I cannot see any way to match up those two from the pictures.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • opportunityopportunity Posts: 984 ✭✭✭✭

    Nope, the reverse is unique to the NC-2.

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see how repeated staring could result in an optimistic assessment.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2023 9:10PM

    Even though there appears to be a die break in about the same location as the linked coin, that alone would not attribute the OP coin. I am not as familiar with this series, but I would approach the attribution similar to the discovery process of T-10/O.115 half dollar, which was most similar to T-9. The OP coin has enough detail in the letters that some reverses will show obvious differences. It is a process of elimination, the most similar reverse die letter angularity can be compared with a high quality overlay. Since every letter is slightly different placement on 1801 NC-2 compared to other 1801 reverses, the differences should show up.

    The 1807 T-10 new die marriage was proven with a different obverse dentil count, but some of the experts in the series were not convinced until an overlay was done with T-9, and the differences were evident. That was back in the day pre-photoshop, and some EAC guys did the overlay:

    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • opportunityopportunity Posts: 984 ✭✭✭✭

    An overlay would be awesome if someone could swing it. Here's the finest known NC-2 and a much better image: http://images.goldbergauctions.com/php/lot_auc.php?site=1&sale=54&lot=415

    The "break" in question are actually clash marks, by the way. A couple of other 1801's are seen with clashes in this area, but none so precise.

    See, this is why I call Early American Copper "Overtons on Expert Mode"

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

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