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TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

Got this email and started wondering
Or who is the largest, rather ?

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    RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭✭

    GMA of course!

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    coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whats the difference between CSG and CGC?

    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

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    RidethelightningRidethelightning Posts: 398 ✭✭✭

    CSG is the 2 years old Sports card grading. CGC has been non sports, coins, and I think magazines for a decade or more

    Pretty cool place actually. Swapped over to there when the 1989 UD Jose Canseco card I wanted to grade for personal would have cost me $50 here. Still with ‘em mostly.

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    PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CGC has historically been a comic book grading company (since it started around 2000). I believe it was originally part of the same umbrella group as SGC for cards and NGC for coins, but SGC split off at some point.

    CSG was started by the same company that owns CGC in 2020, as a sports card grading company. CGC cards was at that time grading only game cards (like Pokémon and the like). So by combining CSG and CGC cards, they are basically becoming an all-cards grading company a la PSA.

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    82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2023 4:00PM

    Been reading the CGC forums. Apparently CGC has or will be loosening their grading standards and those suckers on their boards think its a good idea since they will get higher grades :( Couple that with CGC/CSG having jumped into bed with PWCC last year and they are toast. They will never been any more of a threat to CGC than Beckett or SGC. Sad as true competition would have been good for us the consumers.

    It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)

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    BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is CGC still in cahoots with PWCC? I haven't seen anything on their site to indicate they are. I've also noticed PWCC has been promoting some other company that just 'authenticates' a card without grading them, and they've been selling a ton of those in their weekly auctions.

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    82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BBBrkrr said:
    Is CGC still in cahoots with PWCC? I haven't seen anything on their site to indicate they are. I've also noticed PWCC has been promoting some other company that just 'authenticates' a card without grading them, and they've been selling a ton of those in their weekly auctions.

    I only recall the "big" announcement from last year. If they have realized their huge mistake then it was done in silence. Now with Fanatics purchasing PWCC, I guess the arrangement would be over soon anyhow assuming it still exists. Forgot about Fanatics in my last post.

    The important point is CGC relaxing their grading standards is Santa come early for PSA - assuming they were ever really considered a threat to being with???

    It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Been reading the CGC forums. Apparently CGC has or will be loosening their grading standards and those suckers on their boards think its a good idea since they will get higher grades :(

    From what I've read, they're just getting rid of Gem mint 9.5 and it's going to be Gem mint 10 going forward, like it should have always been. They're adding Pristine 10, which I think is a mistake. And they're getting rid of subgrades.

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    82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2023 7:14PM

    ^ Having both a Gem Mint 10 and a Pristine 10 wreaks of a joke grading service. I do not see this improving their perception. CGC seems intent on locking in that elusive (sarcasm) #4 slot behind #1 PSA, SGC or BGS. The last 2 in whatever order one desires.

    It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)

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    ndleondleo Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m always for more competition for our hobby dollar. The Hobby’s history has shown that new entrants have moved the hobby forward. If CGC makes a niche for themselves, I have no problem using them. Let the market sort it out.

    Mike
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    coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2023 8:24PM

    They seem like a good company. Its just a shame that most people who purchase graded cards are more interested in buying the holder and not the card. That's why its so hard to sell any slabbed card that doesn't have a 'PSA' logo.

    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

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    PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coolstanley said:
    They seem like a good company. Its just a shame that most people who purchase graded cards are more interested in buying the holder and not the card. That's why its so hard to sell any slabbed card that doesn't have a 'PSA' logo.

    To be fair, “buying the holder” also incorporates which company has earned your trust. If the holder didn’t matter at all, why buy graded cards?

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭

    @coolstanley said:
    They seem like a good company. Its just a shame that most people who purchase graded cards are more interested in buying the holder and not the card. That's why its so hard to sell any slabbed card that doesn't have a 'PSA' logo.

    Being a recognized leader in comic and coin grading, CSG was poised to be a force in card grading, but they blew it early and often. Why try to reinvent the wheel. With SGC trying to use 100 point scale and Beckett confusion with BGS, BVS, and BCCG, it's like these rival companies are trying to fail. Just copy PSA and use standard 10 point system (and without half grades, which I'm personally against.)

    And for CSG, centering wasn't a primary factor when grading, sort of like KSA's grading. That move was a big mistake especially to today's collector. People would rather have perfect centering, soft corners than off center, sharp corners.

    With these changes, what does it mean for previously CGS graded cards. I don't now if they can ever recover.
    Collectors are asking for reholdering their 9.5s to 10s.

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    detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭✭

    If I sent a submission to CGC during the Bush administration (the older one), would it still be in "grading"? I don't think so, which tells us who #1 is.

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    82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2023 6:49AM

    @Ridethelightning said:
    82football dude. Do you even have any cards ?

    What are "cards"?

    CGC lowering their grading standards to instantly change older 9.5's slabs to 10's wreaks of a cheesy quick cash grab for re-slabs. Not to mention has a hot garbage dump stink of desperation written all over it. It should not inspire confidence to any knowledgeable submitter. A win for PSA!

    It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)

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